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[160ar]

Hi,

I have the fleshlight STU. Can anyone describe the tightness of the flip hole as I am thinking of getting one. My penis is relatively large with a girth of about 5.5 inches. How does it compare to meiki down and fleshlight?

[WolfpupNX]

I'm not as big as you (I'd say unofficially more like 4.5" girth), but the grip for me is actually quite nice though it took a little bit of getting used to (I'll explain below).  I'd say comparable in grip to the Fleshlight(which I also own one of; I believe mine's an ultra tight but don't remember for sure as it's quite old now) but with more variety of sensation and more control over the tightness.

I'm not sure if you can tell by the pictures, but when you insert yourself (obviously well-lubed), the sections where the buttons are actually bulge outwards to accomodate you.  This allows you to "press the buttons" so to speak (really just apply pressure on the gel) to increase tightness and suction as desired either at the head, shaft, or base of your cock. 

When I first got mine, I actually sort of wished it was tighter on my first use and wasn't sure it felt as good as some of the other Tengas (which have a rougher feel often...in a good way), but I just hadn't gotten used to it yet, and even that use gave me an orgasm that was incredibly intense.  Now that I'm used to it, I love the thing.  I think part of that is also this is the first toy I actually use every day instead of stuff away in a closet, and why?  Because it's so easy to clean (literally 15 seconds or so with a bit of soap and water and hang to dry), unlike Fleshlight, which to me is a pain to clean (take apart, rinse water through hole, rinse caps and container, put back together, possibly powder, etc). even though it's a good masturbator (so I hardly use it because I don't wanna do the cleanup after).

I'm actually finding since I *do* use it more and I've been masturbating with Flip Hole instead of by hand, my cock is becoming MORE sensitive and it is feeling even better than at first with each use (up to a point of course).  This is pure speculation on my part, but my theory is that (and I've seen some similar information on sex advice sites) hand masturbation tends to slightly desensitize your cock to softer stimulation over time since the hand generally is "harder" and grips tighter than a pussy.  So common advice for someone who, say, masturbates all the time but can't orgasm while having regular sex is to lay off masturbation by hand for a while as the hand causes desensitization that makes anything softer feel not as good as it could be. 

Also, it should be noted if you're looking for tight as possible, the new Flip Hole black is being called tighter than the original.  I haven't tried it yet, but I'm definitely going to.  =)  Hope this helps! 

[Funky_Jerker]

Hi,

I have the fleshlight STU. Can anyone describe the tightness of the flip hole as I am thinking of getting one. My penis is relatively large with a girth of about 5.5 inches. How does it compare to meiki down and fleshlight?

Well I never though my penis was large and its girth is between 5 and 5.6 inches, depending whether you’re looking at the base or the top of the shaft. I guess it takes a lot to impress me because I’ve always wanted it to be bigger ! 

Anyway, since we are about the same in girth, I’ll say that the Flip Hole is pleasantly tight without being painful. Compared to the Fleshlight, I’d say it compares to the super tight models like the WonderWave (in terms of tightness only). I had an ultra tight at some point and I got rid of it because it was unpleasantly tight for my taste. I don’t have a Meiki so I cannot compare.

I totally agree with WolfpupNX as to the superiority of the Flip Hole on the Fleshlight. It is a breeze to clean, but this isn’t the main reason we want such a toy, isn’t it ?  Since the Flip Hole has various textures, the feeling is varied as your dick slides to and fro in the Flip Hole. Moreover, flipping the Flip Hole over also totally changes the feeling. So contrary to the Fleshlight textures that end up being a little too overwhelming as you fuck them because of the repetitiveness, the Flip Hole gives your shaft a nice and noticeably varied massage. Even better, the various buttons are not a gimmick as I thought they would be at first.

• The top button makes the feeling a little more like a blowjob
• The middle button increases the tightness all along the shaft
• The bottom button gives a tighter entry and widens the top end, just like a woman about to climax

The only downside to the Flip Hole is the length : I am a bit longer (6.5") than the Flip Hole’s passage (5,5") so the base of my shaft does not get the full treatment like the rest… ending up being a little jealous ! Personally, I find the feeling of being thrusted all the way in, surrounded by the warm wet feeling of the skin folds to be out of this world. The FleshLight, being way too long, allows for an acceptable imitation of the feeling. Of course, this is not possible with the Flip hole, but being that this is its only shortage, I find it more than good enough (besides, I can still use my hand for what’s left outside !).

This is pure speculation on my part, but my theory is that (and I've seen some similar information on sex advice sites) hand masturbation tends to slightly desensitize your cock to softer stimulation over time since the hand generally is "harder" and grips tighter than a pussy.  So common advice for someone who, say, masturbates all the time but can't orgasm while having regular sex is to lay off masturbation by hand for a while as the hand causes desensitization that makes anything softer feel not as good as it could be.

Let me guess : you are cut ! It is known that circumcision causes desensitization of the head because it exposes the head to constant rubbing by the man’s clothes. Because of this, cut men tend to masturbate using what is commonly called the death grip. This death grip in turn also decreases the cock head’s response to stimulation. Leading to the problem you are describing. Uncut males do not have to grip as hard to feel pleasure, hence they have a more sensitive cock. But then, for those suffering from desensitization problems, using something else that the death grip when jerking off is the cure (since normal men can’t stop jerking off, can they ?). Thanks to the Flip Hole, WolfpupNX, you are curing yourself from the death grip ! 

[WolfpupNX]

LOL - most guys wish they were bigger, me included.    Though I will say I'm lucky enough to fit entirely in the Flip Hole, so being a bit smaller isn't all bad lol.  I'd imagine a bigger guy might need the U.S. Tenga versions of the normal toys too, so there are at least a few pros about being a bit smaller lol.

I'd just like to say the ease of cleaning really *is* a big deal for me.  I guess it comes down to this.  No matter how good a toy feels, at the end of use while in afterglow, the *last* thing I want to do is an involved cleaning of something.  The thing I love about this is that Flip Hole (as well as the single-use Tengas) takes every bit of cleaning you can possibly take out of it, plus its discreet, so I actually keep this out and *use* it.  I've had my Flip Hole for about a week and a half, and I can honestly say I've probably used it more times than I've used the Fleshlight I've had for...I think at least 5 years.  That's saying something.  And the Fleshlight isn't bad - feels great.  It's just way too much hassle (for me though I may be in the minority here) to go to my closet and pull it out of the drawer and find the lube and lube it up and warm it up if I want it warm (the Tenga warmer might do that now) and then use it and take it apart and clean it and put it back together and get powder all over.  Bleh.  This is just so much simpler and makes the overall experience much more enjoyable and hassle free.  And it can even be used without getting lube all over for someone like me who enjoys porn or an erotic story and likes to use his hands for some other things while enjoying a toy. especially with the vials they include.  ^.^

You're absolutely right about me being cut.  Believe me I wish I could have prevented that as I don't particularly like circumcision, but what you're describing sounds dead on, and I do tend to use a tight grip while masturbating by hand, so looks like I really am being cured from the death grip.  But I have been really pleasantly surprised by how much more sensitive I'm becoming since using the Flip Hole and it still seems to be improving.

[Funky_Jerker]

I'd just like to say the ease of cleaning really *is* a big deal for me.  I guess it comes down to this.  No matter how good a toy feels, at the end of use while in afterglow, the *last* thing I want to do is an involved cleaning of something.  The thing I love about this is that Flip Hole (as well as the single-use Tengas) takes every bit of cleaning you can possibly take out of it, plus its discreet, so I actually keep this out and *use* it.  I've had my Flip Hole for about a week and a half, and I can honestly say I've probably used it more times than I've used the Fleshlight I've had for...I think at least 5 years.  That's saying something.  And the Fleshlight isn't bad - feels great.  It's just way too much hassle (for me though I may be in the minority here) to go to my closet and pull it out of the drawer and find the lube and lube it up and warm it up if I want it warm (the Tenga warmer might do that now) and then use it and take it apart and clean it and put it back together and get powder all over.

I was commenting about the importance of cleaning in a tongue in cheek way, since it is obviously not the reason why we bought this device in the first place. This said, I agree with you about the cleaning and the drying complexity of the Fleshlight, compared to the rinse-and-hang ease of the Flip Hole.

[WolfpupNX]

True - even if easy to clean, at the end of the day, if it doesn't feel good, it won't do.  =)  Flip hole does it all!

[Funky_Jerker]

LOL - most guys wish they were bigger, me included.    Though I will say I'm lucky enough to fit entirely in the Flip Hole, so being a bit smaller isn't all bad lol.  I'd imagine a bigger guy might need the U.S. Tenga versions of the normal toys too, so there are at least a few pros about being a bit smaller lol.

I wanted to say something about this and I forgot. Even though this might be slightly less true of the Flip Hole compared to the disposable Tengas. I find that Tenga’s focus tends more towards the dick’s head rather than the shaft. So even if one does not fully slide inside, it does not really matter since every one is going to experience what was intended. (Or maybe I say so because I really have a sensitive head ?) The only problem, IMHO, is for the wider dicks because of the physical limits of the container : you have to be at least able to slide in without pain ! But for the length, it does not really matter since you get your head worked on !

Since the Fleshlights have a massive and heavier entry (obviously, by design), you tend to feel more the « work » on the shaft. Because of this, I tended to favor the smooth original Fleshlight to the other models since it allowed to enjoy the « shaft work » more. Besides the fact that the textures of the Fleshlight was traditionally extremely repetitive, a fact that tends to drive the man quickly to the « end-point », which I personally don’t like. (I write « traditionally » because there is a new pattern that is not as simplistic as the older ones (the Lotus), but if you look at the design, you see that it is clearly designed for porn-star length dicks. Since I do not fit the bill, I never bought one.)

[muddbutt]

Haha I always hear the arguments I wish Japanese toys were bigger, and I wish Fleshlights were smaller! Anyways the Flip Hole looks like a pure head simulator, well imo. I'm pretty sure all those nubs and different textures feel great on the shaft, but to me it looks like it's all business for the head. I'm certainly not gonna fit all the way in the Flip Hole but I don't think it will matter, I honestly think I'm gonna have a hard time lasting in that thing cause it looks like on hell of a rollercoaster for my member!

As far as the FL Lotus, if you like the original and smooth inserts then you'd probably like the Lotus. The inverted node is actually more pleasurable then you think, and the pleasure chambers at the end are kinda just like a treat to top it off. You do need to be at least 6.5 inches to fully enjoy the Lotus texture, but ILF just reintroduce the Sex In A Can product(basically a smaller Fleshlight) and the added the Lotus texture to one of them. I haven't gotten mine yet, but the reviews have been pretty great and it's a much better fit for smaller guys.

[WolfpupNX]

Hmmm...interesting discussion! 

I really didn't think much about this, but yes, Funky_Jerker, I think that's apt - Flip Hole (and other TENGAS) do seem to be all about head stimulation.  For me, that's fantastic as my head was always much more sensitive/pleasurable than my shaft, but that's just me.  I also just happen to be perfect size for the Japanese toys, so that's probably why I like them so much.  FleshLight is a bit bulky for me given I can't really use that extra size anyhow.

Though muddbutt, that Sex-in-a-Can Lotus does look pretty interesting - I'll have to think about giving that at try at some point.

[muddbutt]

Yea this is a pretty interesting discussion. The head of the cock is generally the most sensitive cause that were all the nerve endings are. Can anyone comment on the End Orb in the Flip Hole it's perhaps the most intriguing part of the Flip Hole to me. Also I really wanna try the Meiki Demon Girl, the large "Head Stimulator" at the end looks like a real treat when you thrust in.

Yea the Sex In A Cans look real interesting! One thing I like is texture starts a lot earlier, unlike the Fleshlight textures which start about an inch into the sleeves. I think if the texture started earlier on the larger Fleshlight more people would enjoy them.

[Funky_Jerker]

As far as the FL Lotus, if you like the original and smooth inserts then you'd probably like the Lotus. The inverted node is actually more pleasurable then you think, and the pleasure chambers at the end are kinda just like a treat to top it off. You do need to be at least 6.5 inches to fully enjoy the Lotus texture, but ILF just reintroduce the Sex In A Can product (basically a smaller Fleshlight) and the added the Lotus texture to one of them. I haven't gotten mine yet, but the reviews have been pretty great and it's a much better fit for smaller guys.

Before I buy yet another FL, I’ll need some serious convincing. I’ve bought more than my share, believing each time they had improved it as much as they were saying they had. But now I have such a collection that I feel totally stupid… and ripped off !

This being said, I still think the Fleshlight revolutionized the sex toy market in Occident (Europe + the Americas) : before them, the sex toys market for men was stagnant, made of bad quality toys that were totally unsatisfactory, dick-irritating, badly designed, wallet-draining rip-offs. In this market, the Fleshlight appearance was like an impossible dream : a relatively low budget, effective and pleasant toy. A definite breath of fresh air… So I don’t hate the company. It’s just that I’ve decided that I won’t be subsidizing their R&D department like I have been stupidly doing ! A dick-head, I was ! 

Besides, they still have a design problem if their basic requirement for total enjoyment of their Lotus is to be 6.5’’ long : they seem to have forgotten that the average male length is 6’’… Average means that half of the males have longer one and the other half have a shorter one. This means that they are still restricting their market to the 30 % of the males that have schlongs longer than 6.5’’ (in statistical terms). I don’t understand ! By moving the Lotus pattern nearer to the entry (they have plenty of room to do so if you look at the half-cut sleeve), they would increase their market : more men would be able to access the pleasure chambers, and longer joes would still be pleased as punch !

Still then, looking at the half-cut Lotus and comparing it to the half-cut « 17 Evo » shown on this site, one can see a huge design gap that does not put the Lotus in favorable light : it is way too simplistic. They seem to have forgotten that the dick monopolizes 30 % of the nerve endings of the male body (note : same for girls…) and as such, our dick knows better than a plain transversal ridge. Is it going to make the man cum ? Of course it will ! But that is in no way some skillful feat ! Mother Nature always intended that males would come effortlessly, because she needed our sperm to insure the survival of the various species. So she gave us remarkably responsive genitals… so responsive in fact that they respond to anything. All you need is some rubbing… and not even that sometimes : as anyone who’s worked on a farm will tell you, even an electrical trickle is enough ! Long story short : we males don’t need any kind of onacup to successfully cum. I we buy such a thing, it is to enhance our pleasure, to have a more refined sensual experience. So how about something a little more sophisticated ? Like the Flip Hole or (apparently) the 17 Evo ? As someone who’s used Fleshlights for a long time, I can swear that it does not compare to the Flip Hole at all. The Flip Hole represents another technical improvement in the art of male pleasuring (the Fleshlight was the previous one).

Sorry for the rant. I’ll try to behave next time ! 

[muddbutt]

Hehe well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I've been using Fleshlights for years and I've been a very satisfied customer. Yes I do have a couple of sleeves that I don't care for too much, but I explore each toy that I own in such a way that each one has its distinct pleasurable sensation. I do agree with you about the Lotus texture it terms that a lot of average guys might not find as fun, luckily I'm long enough to get the full experience. I think they also have very great customer service and that they take the opinions of their customers very seriously. But yes it seems that Japan is ahead of the game in terms of sex toys and America is still kinda just finding itself.

[WolfpupNX]

Yeah, I actually see both of your points.

I actually remember thinking the Fleshlight was the coolest thing since sliced bread when it first came out, and I have to give props to the company for innovation.  But, even looking at the lotus can and being curious about it, it is kind of hard to justify given the work of art inside Flip Hole.

I can honestly say even the single use TENGAS (I use them longer than that btw) give me the best orgasms I've ever had.  There's a simple complexity to them that I agree can't yet be matched by most Western toymakers.  I love pretty much all things Japan so I always wondered if it was just me, but apparently not.  =oP