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[iliketurtles]

I bought the XYZ that is so recommended on here and hated it, felt absolutely nothing like the real thing.

People now are saying I should have gotten the Tomax Lilith Uterus if I wanted something realistic.

So before I waste my money again, I wanted to ask opinions here.

Is there a product that feels more realistic than the Tomax Lilith Uterus?

Also assuming this is the most realistic toy, why doesn't ToyDemon carry it?

[zamentor]

It is a fair question: What is the most realistic toy? In my opinion, after many years of investing in over 50 toys from various manufacturers, I would say the Meiki Extreme Pleasure Hip comes as close as one can get. I do not consider my purchases a waste of money. I classify it as a research project that eventually pays off, in the same way as a date night with a potential new girlfriend. However, personal preferences differ, and that is why there are so many different toys on the market and in the TD store.

To summarize, what appears amazing and super realistic to me may end up in your trash can.

To answer your second question about the Tomax toys, I quote forum member casquetero: "Simple - because TOMAX has a policy of having a single seller / distributor outside Japan. In Europe, they picked Omocha Dreams (TD's European partners), but in the USA they picked QueenCat because they already had business relations with its owner  (they had worked together in Japan)."

[iliketurtles]

Thank you for your answer.

At around $300 I think that's probably more than I am willing to gamble on getting a dud.

In the $100 range or below is there anything in your opinion that is more realistic than the Tomax Lilith Uterus?

Thanks again for your advice.

[zamentor]

Yes, $300 is an expensive gamble on an unknown horse. Perhaps we can offer advice and opinions if you describe what specifically you disliked about the XYZ.

Just for the record, I own several of the Tomax toys, including the Lilith Uterus, Venus Real and the Muses series. I bought all in them in the softest editions and applied my own chemical modifications to increase the internal tunnel complexity and resulting stimulation. They are all gorgeous and rival my personal TD favorite, the Puni Virgin 1000 Fuwatoro.

[iliketurtles]

I am looking for a product that accurately simulates a real vagina in terms of feeling.

The XYZ was like a bag filled with jello, and felt absolutely nothing even remotely similar to an actual vagina.

[zamentor]

Ok, so that gives me something to go on. No sensation or stimulation from the XYZ and no similarity to a real vagina.

I've been lucky enough to have experienced many vaginas, and they are all different. Some were kind of ho-hum and others like "I died and went to heaven".

If you are willing to experiment, I have a suggestion. I assume you still have the XYZ, so here is a method to increase the stimulation. Get a bottle of Goof-Off or similar adhesive remover. (Amazon sells a small can for less than $2. Search for Goof Off FG661). Soap up the XYZ and flip it inside out to expose the inside. Trickle Goof-Off all over the exposed surface and allow the solvent to wrinkle the XYZ. After a minute at most, wash the sleeve several times with hand soap and water to remove any residual solvent, and then let it dry inside out for a few hours to let the remaining fumes evaporate. I have done this to many of my softer sleeves to great effect.

[thecandy]

Ok, so that gives me something to go on. No sensation or stimulation from the XYZ and no similarity to a real vagina.

I've been lucky enough to have experienced many vaginas, and they are all different. Some were kind of ho-hum and others like "I died and went to heaven".

If you are willing to experiment, I have a suggestion. I assume you still have the XYZ, so here is a method to increase the stimulation. Get a bottle of Goof-Off or similar adhesive remover. (Amazon sells a small can for less than $2. Search for Goof Off FG661). Soap up the XYZ and flip it inside out to expose the inside. Trickle Goof-Off all over the exposed surface and allow the solvent to wrinkle the XYZ. After a minute at most, wash the sleeve several times with hand soap and water to remove any residual solvent, and then let it dry inside out for a few hours to let the remaining fumes evaporate. I have done this to many of my softer sleeves to great effect.

Hey zamentor, how would you say the Lilith Uterus Soft compares to the Venus Real Soft and the XYZ, and perhaps the Lilith Uterus Regular (if you have one)? I currently only have the XYZ. I'm a virgin. Which one would you say is closest to the most pleasurable real woman's vagina you've had?

[zamentor]

I assume the XYZ you refer to is actually the Meiki no Syoumei 05 Zhang Xiao Yu (ZXY), so I'll go with that.

I find the ZXY the most stimulating of all the Meiki series sleeves, but it isn't realistic. A vagina at level 10 is warm, wet, responsive and creates an urgency to cum which is very hard to resist. A sleeve or hip cannot duplicate that experience with the current state of the art. But a good artificial vagina has a significant advantage in that your focus is entirely on your own pleasure, and you don't need to comb your hair.

The Lilith Uterus Soft is firmer than the ZXY, and is really small, a minimalist pussy. The Venus Real Rich Soft and the Muses Soft Series are softer than the ZXY and as shipped provide very little stimulation. But once you apply my modification as described above, the sleeves are elevated to a level that exceeds the sensation you would find from almost any real vagina. Think eye-rolling, spontaneous sighing and moaning.

I greatly favor the softer sleeves, because my style of masturbation is slow and long-lasting, with a minimum of 2 hours. A firm sleeve (ToyDemon Level 7 or lower) is actually painful after a few minutes. So please take that into consideration when you read my opinions and ratings.

[iliketurtles]

Ok, so that gives me something to go on. No sensation or stimulation from the XYZ and no similarity to a real vagina.

I've been lucky enough to have experienced many vaginas, and they are all different. Some were kind of ho-hum and others like "I died and went to heaven".

If you are willing to experiment, I have a suggestion. I assume you still have the XYZ, so here is a method to increase the stimulation. Get a bottle of Goof-Off or similar adhesive remover. (Amazon sells a small can for less than $2. Search for Goof Off FG661). Soap up the XYZ and flip it inside out to expose the inside. Trickle Goof-Off all over the exposed surface and allow the solvent to wrinkle the XYZ. After a minute at most, wash the sleeve several times with hand soap and water to remove any residual solvent, and then let it dry inside out for a few hours to let the remaining fumes evaporate. I have done this to many of my softer sleeves to great effect.

Gave your suggestion a go,  still a floppy bag of jello type experience.

[SonicBoom]

Ok, so that gives me something to go on. No sensation or stimulation from the XYZ and no similarity to a real vagina.

I've been lucky enough to have experienced many vaginas, and they are all different. Some were kind of ho-hum and others like "I died and went to heaven".

If you are willing to experiment, I have a suggestion. I assume you still have the XYZ, so here is a method to increase the stimulation. Get a bottle of Goof-Off or similar adhesive remover. (Amazon sells a small can for less than $2. Search for Goof Off FG661). Soap up the XYZ and flip it inside out to expose the inside. Trickle Goof-Off all over the exposed surface and allow the solvent to wrinkle the XYZ. After a minute at most, wash the sleeve several times with hand soap and water to remove any residual solvent, and then let it dry inside out for a few hours to let the remaining fumes evaporate. I have done this to many of my softer sleeves to great effect.

Gave your suggestion a go,  still a floppy bag of jello type experience.

If I could make a suggestion...

Have you tried using the ZXY exclusively for awhile?  Like maybe a week or two?  If you are still using harder sleeves or your hand your body is probably not used to something softer. 

This is an adjustment all of us that are into softer meikis had to go through.  But remember that you can only use the ZXY, no cheating!  It should start feeling much better after a week.  You will start to feel the inner textures that you can feel with your fingers but not with your dick right now. 

Give it a try.  You will be pleasantly surprised at the results.

SB

[iliketurtles]

SonicBoom,

So I've given your suggestion a go.

At the one week mark, it's still a floppy bag of jello (now in my trash can).

I keep getting messages from various people telling me I have death grip syndrome if the XYZ doesn't work for me.

I can achieve climax with it,  but it feels terrible, like the worst blow job you've ever had. 

It does not feel anything at all like a real tight vagina, absolutely nothing even remotely similar. 

As it stands I would rather just do things manually than jiggle around a floppy bag-o-jello.

I guess I am willing to have a go at the Lilith uterus, but what I would really like to know is if there is anything more realistic in the $100 or less price range, because I don't want to keep buying toys only to be told oh well if you wanted realistic you should have purchased this other product instead.

I just want to make certain there is nothing on the market that resembles a real vagina before I give up, and move out to Nevada lol.

 

[zamentor]

Your dilemma is quite mystifying. The Japanese craftsmen are masters at the art of creating a simulated vagina. I understand you have had several suggestions but none seem to hit the mark or solve the problem.

Many of us who read your posts would like to help, but I think we are hampered by lack of information about the vagina(s) you are using as a benchmark.

Without me seeming like a perv, could you describe the physical experience(s) you have had that you are attempting to emulate using a sex toy? Otherwise we are shooting in the blind.

[iliketurtles]

Your dilemma is quite mystifying. The Japanese craftsmen are masters at the art of creating a simulated vagina.

Yes, absolutely the XYZ is light years ahead of a fleshlight, without question,  that said, it's still a big floppy bag of jello, and nothing like the real thing. 

Many of us who read your posts would like to help, but I think we are hampered by lack of information about the vagina(s) you are using as a benchmark.

Without me seeming like a perv, could you describe the physical experience(s) you have had that you are attempting to emulate using a sex toy? Otherwise we are shooting in the blind.

I am sure you understand there are tight women, and loose women.   

I would rather masturbate than make love to a loose woman, and I would rather masturbate without a toy than use an XYZ.   

One has a strong muscular grip,  the other is a floppy bag of jello.

I don't really have the words to describe the difference other than this:

One is like a perfectly cooked and seasoned steak, and the other is like a bowl of boiled tofu mush.

If you haven't experienced sex with a tight vagina, and a vagina so loose you cannot climax, then I don't think I will be able to convey the differences. 

[iliketurtles]

Essentially what I am looking for is the the closest thing to a tight muscular vagina that can be purchased under $100. 

Once I purchase that and it doesn't work then I can go on with my life, and move out to Nevada. 

[zamentor]

That description really helps. I do have a recommendation for you, and here's my logic:

- The ZXY at TD Softness Level 7 was way too mushy for you and it is apparent that you prefer a tighter, more stimulatiing sleeve.
- At Softness Level 6 (more intense), and TD Rating of 5/5 (best of breed) and within your price range (< $100) the Julia+ rose to the top of the class.

The Julia+ weighs in at 1.5 lbs and is a solid, well-constructed and durable sleeve. It has great customer feedback and I think is worth a try. I would hate to see a grown man move to Nevada for only one reason!

And do make sure you have the right lube to complement your sleeve. I can recommend Meiki Bliss Lotion as a great pairing for the Julia +.