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[crystax]

So i have been looking into onaholes the last 3 weeks and waited for black friday weekend to come around to take advantage of whatever sales were available. Now im stuck between the "Frist Sexual Experience" and the "Meiki ZXY". i've heard amazing things about both, especially the Meiki, but here is my situation.

I own a fleshlight.the only problem is that whenever i reach an orgasm, if i continue beating with it my member becomes to sensitive and i feel extreme discomfort. ive used condoms to see if that would help but the effects were very little. ive tried to get used to it, but masturbating with my flashlight just didnt seem worth it anymore. So then i saw onaholes and thought i would give it another shot with a Japanese product.

*Btw my fleshlight was this texture: http://static.fleshlight.com/images/products/large_58.jpg )

So knowing all this i was hoping to get some feedback on the 2 onaholes i listed above. the First Sexual Experience seemed interesting and i liked the size of it, but everyone seems to rave about the Meiki ZXY. I was hoping to get some feedback from some owners who might understand my situation and could help me out with my decision :3

Please and thanks guys, i would really love to replace this fleshlight x.x

[Universal]

First off, welcome C   

Let me start by apologizing for perhaps misunderstanding you. I hoped you'd get a few replies first so I could cheat off their context but it hasn't happened yet and I know it sucks getting little or no responses.

On the Fleshlights, totally different experience and product. I was a 10 year plus owner, serious forum contributor, you name it. I got into Meikis and ToyDemon specifically 3 BFs ago. I won't go so far as to say FLs are worse or bad or whatever. But I haven't missed them and I was deep deep into the culture.

As to the stroke through thing, Im hoping some others might chime in here as its not quite in my wheelhouse anymore. I can talk about it some though.

When I "flew" (as FLers call it) stroke through orgasm was possible with some of the repeating, semi stimulating textures (like the WWave I think you've pictured) Considering the more unnaturalness of the orgasm (of course I didnt know this at the time) it gave, I would say it added to the experience and I did go for it on semi regular occasion (though it was never a constant)

Meikis, however, Ive just never felt the need to "stroke through." It is a wholely different orgasm to me, and one I find quite different but just as intense or moreso.  Its naturalness however, puts it into another level of existence IMHO.

Fleshlights felt great. Some let me go on long. Almost all successful flights, even the best,  ended in a sort of burst orgasm (imagine a booster rocket. Quick overwhelming force but short blast duration.) But none of them compared to a good partner orgasm like the Meikis can. I believe the body has a "naturalness" radar and some of the Meikis better fool it than any FL ever could. A really deep, soul spilling, trembling, muscle fatiguing orgasm comes from a totally different place for me and its a long, slow, building of a process. The hardest part of achieving it is NOT ramping up to it but walking the tightrope long enough to allow one to form without early on - blast orgasming or deeper in the process - overstimulating (expressed through a sort of "ive felt this for awhile already" numbness or the discomfort/soreness you mention (like my body says "enough is enough" and revolts)

Meikis are just different and closer to with a partner IMO. I've never really stroked through with women. Once Im there, I sort of bury in and micro shift for even the tinest bit more penetration (girlfriend once joked she knew when I had my best Os because it was like I was trying to crawl in  ) It all seemed to make sense to me biologically (shortening the distance between egg and swimmers) so I never considered it odd.

Back to the stoke through method though. From what I remember, when I could there were usually some common factors.

It wasn't a ultra long drawn out orgasm -  So low and slow girls like Ozawa or maybe even single layers would probably be counterproductive. 

Intensity was the tightrope -  Id really fear anything high stimulation like the First Sexual Experience because @ orgasm those dots which drag you there, could be wicked trying to stroke through especially as you go into a tender state, . I think the uniformity and small size would help things though. Double edged sword.

Repetitiveness helped - If I was going to stoke through, the worst thing possible was variation or surprises. Those help getting me home but would have me climbing walls in the bad way if/when they hit me when Im ultrasensative.  Look for uniformity, at least in the very back section (you can "hide out" there in stroke through phase)

As Ive said, stroke through for me was always a sometimes thing, exclusively with FLs, certainly not something I needed (and only happened under particular circumstances) and kinda relegated to my past.

Meiki experience is just so different and while Im loathe to say its "better" I will say, for me, Meikis just fit better with my needs and feel more natural.

Im assuming that you are on a one ona budget by your title so if a perfect ona exsist for you, Id say it would have these features:

High Intensity

At least a medium firmness (similar to a FL)

Some uniformity, especially in the back and likely in the form of dots or ribs.

Sadly, the only things I know first hand that fit these traits are different models of FLs. And Ive found (after 10 years and hundreds of dollars) the FLs overall experience to be subpar to the Meiki (though it does have some features Ive not had since (burst Os especially)

I totally understand if stroke through is a key part of your experience. I can't imagine ZXY being well suited to that (not uniform, the hump would help but her canal is a windy wonder.)

First Sexual Experience could work though,as I said, Id fear those superbumps/texture at the back. But then, my penis IS a pussy when it comes to stroke through apparently. 

[crystax]

Man oh man that was a long, well thought response. Where do I begin....

*keep in mind I'm typing from my phone so I apologize if my sentences are shortened or seem less thought put*

In response to my budget: I dont really have a set limit to what I can spend. I WAS going to buy both however I felt that it would be best to buy one first and see how I like it before spending more money.

In response to ribs and bumps at the end: the problem I had with the wonder wave is that whenever I would pull back, the ribs would pull on the head of my circumcised penis which is what caused the discomfort. Im not sure if bumps would be a better alternative or if they would be just as bad.

I understand that meiki's seem to be the hot product. They look so bulky though xP are they hard to clean?

What do you mean when you say "uniformity"?

I think the curvy tunnel sounds interesting though 

I think what this comes down to is: will the bumps at the end of "first sexual experience" cause me discomfort after orgasm or will it be fine. Do the bumps pull you back like ribs do? The ribs in Wonder Wave are really thick and big...
 

[bhh]

Most onaholes (not through hole like FL) are not too bad to clean. Just rinse with warm water and some use soap once in a while and air dry. You can use microfiber cloths to hasten the drying.

As far as your other question goes, it all depends on the person. If you are sensitive most sleeves with a lot of stimulation (such as First Sexual Experience, Dual-layer sleeves, etc.) will cause discomfort. For me I prefer single layer meikis as they do not cause as much of a problem and they still feel great.

[Universal]

Man oh man that was a long, well thought response. Where do I begin....

*keep in mind I'm typing from my phone so I apologize if my sentences are shortened or seem less thought put*

In response to my budget: I dont really have a set limit to what I can spend. I WAS going to buy both however I felt that it would be best to buy one first and see how I like it before spending more money.

Totally understand your concern. Honestly, a single ona purchase puts a lot of pressure on that one buy. Whereas a single FLight can give you a rough idea of the material and general mechanics of the ride, Meikis are more all over the map. While I hate to deal in generalities, Ive rarely, if ever, seen someone say Meikis/Onas just weren't for them at all and they are going back to FLs. I've seen a few keep a place for their FLs after buying Onas. I've seen more stop FLing entirely after Ona-ing (myself included)

In response to ribs and bumps at the end: the problem I had with the wonder wave is that whenever I would pull back, the ribs would pull on the head of my circumcised penis which is what caused the discomfort. Im not sure if bumps would be a better alternative or if they would be just as bad.

Not sure Im following you. WHEN are you having this sensitivity? Only DURING Orgasm when you continue to "stroke through" or during regular use/build up or what?  The stroke through orgasm is a special case IMO. If thats something you need you need to be very deliberate in your choices. And we need to find someone else who does the same (my experience with it is years ago)

Another thing worth mentioning, most of the Meikis recommended are SOFTER than a FL by a margin. And, if the picture FL is a WWave (as it seems) that was even FIRMER than current FLs. (signature series)

Meikis can overstimulate but most that have this problem aren't coming from FLs. FLs are med to firm depending on the series and how old they are. Supple is not how Id describe them.

I understand that meiki's seem to be the hot product. They look so bulky though xP are they hard to clean?

 Are they harder to clean than a FL, yes but not a whole lot harder. Is every bit of this labor worth it? Yes and double yes.

What do you mean when you say "uniformity"?

Uniformity means same shape, size, etc. Like you example isnt bumps, waves, dots, ripples, and ribs combined. Its just waves from tip to back.

I think the curvy tunnel sounds interesting though 

Real vaginas have had curves since their inception. I think there's something to that. I'm siding with mother nature on this one.

I think what this comes down to is: will the bumps at the end of "first sexual experience" cause me discomfort after orgasm or will it be fine. Do the bumps pull you back like ribs do? The ribs in Wonder Wave are really thick and big...

There's truly no way to know this unless somebody else speaks up with similar usage and experience. And their body could be different anyway (likely is)  Stroke through isn't the easiest of requests. In the FL realm, the softer, less intense sleeves lent themselves better to movement through orgasm. I think Meikis would be similar. Lean towards softer stuff if your stoke through is a must have. And as I said, try to look for some repetition in the design. That way you aren't unexpectedly surprised when finishing off. If its all bumps or waves in the area youre "working", you can know what to expect.

[crystax]

Universal, your passion for these toys seems unrivaled to me. i've read a few threads on this forum and i must say, every post of yours always seems well thought out and spoken in a unique way. I read your first post in this thread: https://forum.toydemon.com/index.php?topic=2491.0

And after reading that post i think i was able to make my decision.  im going to start my journey with the ZXY  After giving it some thought, i figured that the ZXY would be a great starting point for me and that the First Sexual experience just might be too much stimulation for someone who is new to this sort of thing. Maybe ill pick her up one day but for now, im looking forward to picking up my ZXY and tossing out this FL WW strait into the trash

On a side note, should i hold onto the FL casing? can any other products potentially make use of it as a holder of some sort? i know its a bit long but i figured that maybe one day if i ever pick up a smaller onahole i could potentially use it as a storage case

[Universal]

Universal, your passion for these toys seems unrivaled to me. i've read a few threads on this forum and i must say, every post of yours always seems well thought out and spoken in a unique way. I read your first post in this thread: https://forum.toydemon.com/index.php?topic=2491.0

And after reading that post i think i was able to make my decision.  im going to start my journey with the ZXY  After giving it some thought, i figured that the ZXY would be a great starting point for me and that the First Sexual experience just might be too much stimulation for someone who is new to this sort of thing. Maybe ill pick her up one day but for now, im looking forward to picking up my ZXY and tossing out this FL WW strait into the trash

On a side note, should i hold onto the FL casing? can any other products potentially make use of it as a holder of some sort? i know its a bit long but i figured that maybe one day if i ever pick up a smaller onahole i could potentially use it as a storage case

I'm both honored and ashamed.       

I do love me some props though so maybe subconsciously Im using all you suckers as part of my Meiki World Domination plan!

Muhahahaha   

I totally get where people are coming from as I've most certainly been there and done that. I pass on the knowledge as best as I can in hopes others can find Nirvana a little quicker and easier than I did. Plus, it makes the money lost seem less wasted if it also saves some others from wasting their own.

Re: FL Case. Might as well keep it. You may find a utility to it and its not a space taker really.

ZXY is an excellent choice and it's the only Meiki I've bought multiples of (and not for durability reasons. I NEVER rebuy breakdowns) And I own a lot (ok, too much  ) so that's saying something.

Zhang is a wonderful starter as shes intense but a touch of soft too.  She plays second to no one in my book and really, Julia is only different, not better or worse.

Just as an fyi, should you not be blown away at the start, don't fixate on it too much. Meikis are way soft compared to a FL and if  you've spent much time using those or your hands, she won't immediately light you up as your old standbys.

Give her time though. Once your body adjust and she gets her claws into you, you'll wonder how you ever existed before her.

Good luck. God speed.

Uni

[meikifanatic]

I've never been able to stroke through during the big "O" with any toy ; I've always been way too sensitive by that point that it would be almost painful to even try.  I follow the same pattern as Universal upon climaxing, lol.  A small shove here, a shift there and a slight deeper thrust without moving too much -- otherwise I'll be feeling like I'm chafing myself raw and will no longer enjoy the moment.  I was never able to do it with an FL and was a bit disappointed I also could not do it with my much softer Meiki (ZXY).  Mind you, I haven't tried the other onaholes and I've read that some guys can stroke through with the Ozawa because it's so soft and a bit less stimulating.  They might also be better endowed such that their near-climax, super-sensitive glans (head) travels further and deeper into the onahole and into a section where it's less stimulated, allowing them to maintain the stroke and finish without stopping.  Lucky b@stards...   

Perhaps using a condom with the onahole would be sufficiently desensitizing to allow most of us to stroke through to the end.  I know I still couldn't stroke through with my ex-girlfriends unless I was finishing by hand or by gentle BJ.  And I guess that could be the greatest advantage of performing the ol' death grip massage on your lower member: avoiding the glans and continuously stroking through until the very end of your climax.

[crystax]

Just as an fyi, should you not be blown away at the start, don't fixate on it too much. Meikis are way soft compared to a FL and if  you've spent much time using those or your hands, she won't immediately light you up as your old standbys.

Give her time though. Once your body adjust and she gets her claws into you, you'll wonder how you ever existed before her.

thanks for the tip :3 im a pretty easy man to please but i look forward to trying different things with the ZXY. one of the main reasons i bought a fleshlight was to work on my stamina, but the WW was so intense that practice for me was hard Dx im hoping, and im sure my hopes will be answered, that the meiki will provide me with the tools needed to work on my stamina :3

I've never been able to stroke through during the big "O" with any toy ; I've always been way too sensitive by that point that it would be almost painful to even try.  I follow the same pattern as Universal upon climaxing, lol.  A small shove here, a shift there and a slight deeper thrust without moving too much -- otherwise I'll be feeling like I'm chafing myself raw and will no longer enjoy the moment.  I was never able to do it with an FL and was a bit disappointed I also could not do it with my much softer Meiki (ZXY).

It makes me feel a bit better that im not the only one you described me perfectly.  and i will definitely try the method you and Uni use when climaxing.

i think my problem was that im so accustomed to stroking through when im using my hands, that i just assumed i should be doing the same thing with a FL :x

Perhaps using a condom with the onahole would be sufficiently desensitizing to allow most of us to stroke through to the end.

i know i tried this on multiple occasions with only a slight difference in the "over stimulation" after the Big O.

[Universal]

thanks for the tip :3 im a pretty easy man to please but i look forward to trying different things with the ZXY. one of the main reasons i bought a fleshlight was to work on my stamina, but the WW was so intense that practice for me was hard Dx im hoping, and im sure my hopes will be answered, that the meiki will provide me with the tools needed to work on my stamina :3

I've always found "stamina" a bullshit terminology. Lasting isn't about repetitions or muscle memory. It's body awareness and (at first) knowing when to stop then graduating to merely needing to slow down or change up. Meikis are exceptional at this because of the complexity of the sensations they give. All sorts of things are going to be going on. If you pay attention, you'll learn what speeds you up (triggers) and what slows you down (chillers) A lot of the FLs suck as training because you blow through the stages of arousal so fast you can't make heads or tails of whats going on.

I've never been able to stroke through during the big "O" with any toy ; I've always been way too sensitive by that point that it would be almost painful to even try.  I follow the same pattern as Universal upon climaxing, lol.  A small shove here, a shift there and a slight deeper thrust without moving too much -- otherwise I'll be feeling like I'm chafing myself raw and will no longer enjoy the moment.  I was never able to do it with an FL and was a bit disappointed I also could not do it with my much softer Meiki (ZXY).
It makes me feel a bit better that im not the only one you described me perfectly.  and i will definitely try the method you and Uni use when climaxing.

I can't do it so my bias may be from not wanting to feel Im missing out or lesser in some way. But to my mind, once you reach orgasm, your body is designed to make the deposit and usually theres an urge to shorten the distance between you and her cervix. If you read anything on biology, youd know that the head of the penis is hypothesized to be shoveling device by its shape. Pulling in and out goes counter to natures goal of planting your seed. (you end up pulling your swimmers away from the target)

Eh, its a taste thing. Some can do it and some really rather enjoy it. More power too them. I've rarely been able to and don't miss it really.

i think my problem was that im so accustomed to stroking through when im using my hands, that i just assumed i should be doing the same thing with a FL :x

Are you stoking your top ridge of your head furiously when you go? Most don't (focus on the underside) so stroking through hits the super sensitive spot you are likely avoiding hands only.

Perhaps using a condom with the onahole would be sufficiently desensitizing to allow most of us to stroke through to the end. i know i tried this on multiple occasions with only a slight difference in the "over stimulation" after the Big O.

Better than full contact, thats for sure but still more stimulation to the tip than hands only. I imagine the condom that would allow stoke through would likely suck the life out of the other areas and sensations.

Stoke through is uninteresting to me unless it comes at zero cost to all the other sensations I have.