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[jonn]

Hello everyone!

I'm an avid masturbator and long-time Fleshlight user.  In my quest for something new I discovered ToyDemon, the Meiki Plush Doll, and all these amazing-looking Japanese sleeves.  Let me just say I haven't been this excited about new sex toys since my first FL many years ago!

I ordered a Meiki Plush Doll today, and I'm looking forward to rediscovering each of my dozen-or-so Fleshlights with it.  But all in due time.  These foreign sleeves on ToyDemon look absolutely fascinating, and I must try some!  I included a Maria Ozawa in the order and would have bought a Meiki ZXY too but it is out of stock!    

So hopefully some time in the next few days or weeks I will be placing a second order (when the ZXY comes back into stock) and I'm looking for recommendations for anything else to add to that order.  Another sleeve or two, perhaps, to add some variety to the Ozawa/ZXY combo.  Maybe some new lube (I use mostly ID Glide/ ID Pleasure currently).  Or maybe an entirely different type of product I hadn't considered.  I'm open to anything.

-- Some background:

My favorite FL inserts are Lotus, Wonder Wave, and Cyclone.  These are the ones I use 95+% of the time that I use a FL.

In case it affects recommendations, I should add that my penis is about ~6 inches (or ~15 cm) long and ~5.5 inches in circumference (somewhat larger than average as far as I can tell), and has a moderate curve.  The somewhat-larger-than-average size and curve has affected my ability to enjoy some masturbation toys.  AutoBlow Blast was way too small, RealTouch was way too small (on the inside), and the smaller Fleshlight models (such as "Flight" and the sword hilt ones) are also a bit too small.  Normal Fleshlights are fine, with room to spare.  I expect to "bottom out" using the Meiki sleeves, but given their softness I don't think this will be a problem.

[johnhiggin]

I'd say for sure get a bottle of the Maria lube. That lube is the best I have used and destroys the ID garbage. I used to think ID glide was really good but that was before I got my Meiki Maria and experienced what great lube really is like.

I'd say hold off on getting another sleeve/toy as the two should be enough for now.

[casquetero]

Congrats on buying the Meiki Plush Doll! It is a great first doll - and a better way to experience the meikis and even the Fleshies.

I don't know what other Fleshlights you have, but use the lower stimulation ones before using the Maria Ozawa. The major complain from first time users of meikis is that they don't feel anything. The Ozawa is very soft, so it will take time before you can feel its texture.

Changing the lube is a must. Besides the Maria Ozawa lotion, I also like the Slick Specialist and the Muko Gel (not sold on TD). Experiment with various brands to find the best sensations with your toys.

About the MPD, get some SMALL size lingerie or clothes at your nearest thrift shop to elevate the fantasy...

[jonn]

I don't know what other Fleshlights you have, but use the lower stimulation ones before using the Maria Ozawa. The major complain from first time users of meikis is that they don't feel anything. The Ozawa is very soft, so it will take time before you can feel its texture.

Thanks for the suggestion!  I've been collecting FL inserts for years.  Only the first two really are what I would call low stimulation.

Original just as boring as it looks
Forbidden
Mini Lotus
Lotus
Destroya
STU
Blade
Cyclone	(discontinued, similar to Blade)
Wonder Wave
Alien
Flight	No convenient image to paste here, but it is the white case / Instructor model from: http://www.fleshlight.com/flight/

I guess I'll put away the more stimulating textures and stick to the forbidden until Maria arrives on Friday.  The original is just so bad I would rather use my hand.

Sounds like the Maria lotion is very popular so I will be sure to add a couple bottles to my next order if I like the sample that comes with the sleeve.  About how quickly does one go through this stuff?  One bottle of ID lube (280ml or 9.5 oz) tends to last me 3-6 months.

As for doll clothes, I don't really shop for women's clothing so how does the stuff sold on ToyDemon stack up in terms of price and quality?

[Universal]

I've had a lot of the FLs you mentioned or at the very least their earlier renditions (there's a lot of recycling in design at ILF) so I think I can weigh in a bit on how your journey may go.

First off, FLs and the NPG meikis are very different masturbatory devices. Some people have suggested they can coexist peacefully but its been my experience you will either lean one way or the other. (meaning 90% of the time chose one "family" over the other)

FLs are generally more stimulating, less complex devices. This is not to say they are lesser, for many they are far superior. (especially wider and longer gentleman) I find even their softest signature offerings firmer than even the dual layer meikis. Truly, they'll be an adjustment period going from one to the other no matter which direction.

Your FL favs seem to be more sedate than the stimulation queens (Im looking at you Stoya Destroya). This helps in the transition but its not a transition you have to make.

What it will come down to is how dedicated you are to your old FL sensations and how committed you become to really giving the Meiki "life" a full go. 

Personally, I would use your Plush and FLs exclusively for a bit. Going hands free really is a huge transition and you'll want to master angles, trusts, speeds, etc etc etc before taking on a totally different sensation pallet all together.  Enjoy your FLs thoroughly, come back and post your thoughts re: handfrees/likes/dislikes/etc and we'll guide you further. Maria will always be there  for you to enjoy when you are fully ready for her.

As far as a "transition" sleeve, I think the Osawa may just be too far of a canyon to cross and then recross (if you want to use your FLs still) To me, she is so much softer, so much more complex, and so fickle comparatively, you'd almost have to go cold turkey on you FLs then return once you've adjusted to Maria and better understand yourself and how you relate to her pluses and minuses.

Everyone touts the ZXY as THE sleeve to get but having had 3 of them and a majority of the NPG series (13 and counting) I think she's not the sleeve best suited to a FL'ers transition.  In that special case (which I believe it very much is) 100 times out of 100 I would suggest the Monster Wet Real.


Monster Wet Real is soft-ish (less so than NPGs of course) while still having a high level of "insanity of sensation" that I believe many of the FLs are kings at.  Were I able to go back in time, it would be the #1 sleeve (and by a large margin) I would give my past self to help get a taste of what's possible with the japanese toys without having to give up any and all familiarity of sensations my FLs gave me.  And it is a GREAT complement to even a mature collection. (I still love mine even having many other options)
The Monster Wet is just the perfect post FL'ing sleeve IMO unless the FLer is ready to drop FLing completely. 


Now as far as lube, this again comes down to if you will continue to "fly."  As amazing as the Osawa love lotion is, you will go absolutely broke trying to feed a FLs lube habit with her.  I'd gotten out of the "flying" habit and was dumbfounded at just how much lotion it takes to keep the ride on course. It's really rather absurd. (I think its tied for stimulation to deep in the sleeve for FLs #1 weakness) Plus, Maria magic is letting through the subtleties of a sleeves design and FLs are rarely subtle.  Would she work? Yes. Is she overkill? Oh most definitely.  So what then?


PEACE lotion.  Peace has the japanese qualities of stringiness and decent run time while bringing a little more cushion than most and a far greater value per mL.  Its a terrible hand lotion but in a sleeve, especially less complex, its great.  Of all my lubes, it is the only one I am devoted to always having a spare of other than Maria (but Maria I save for certain sleeves) I truly don't think it gets the love it deserves because people just want a lotion that works reasonably well across the spectrum rather than have maybe 2 or 3 and use the best one for the job.  Maria's great. She would best Peace in the Osawa sleeve. But in the FLs, shes not the best lube for the job and way more expensive to boot.


As I said, it all really comes down to how your journey unfolds and it's hard to say how that'll be at this point.

If you chose to remain semi-attached to your FLs, Learn the handsfree nuances first, consider some Peace lotion for both your FLs and some future sleeves. (remember you get a small sample of Maria lube w/your sleeve so you can try it before you buy it) and decide when you are ready to try to transition to the softer Meikis (in your case the Osawa)

If you want a good inbetween, consider the Monster Wet Real, get some Peace lotion, ween yourself off the FLs from most stimulating to least all the while incorperating the MWet into the mix. When you are mostly off the FLs, go ahead and make the jump (just prepare yourself for the transition. It WILL be different, maybe even too mild for the early going.)

And there is always cold turkey.  Dump the FLs, go Osawa exclusively until you break your desensitivity.  Its not that it's not doable, hell I did it. But its the least fun/most "work" of the options. Like I said, had I the Monster Wet Real as a stepping stone, I think I would have been far happier and much better off. Plus, its a great long term sleeve. A win win.

Just know there are no real wrong answers.  Constantly evaluate yourself and where your leanings are, come back here to engage in discussion of those and we can lead your onward using our own experiences.

Good luck!


 

[jonn]

Very interesting.  I never thought there might be a transition period quite like that.  I've certainly had some "learning" periods with some of my FL sleeves.  I didn't even like the Lotus after the first session, but after a week or two it was my favorite.  Once I "learned" a sleeve, I could switch between them with no transition period.

But with the Japanese toys being so different, maybe I won't be able to switch between them and FLs so easily!  I sure hope that is not the case for me!

Thanks for the suggestion that I use FL and the Plush exclusively for a while, but I just don't see that happening.  I'm looking forward to this complete one-step transformation of the way I masturbate.  Maybe I'll change my mind once I know what I'm dealing with? LOL

Also thanks for the Lube recommendation.  I'll grab a bottle of Peace in my next order too if it is in stock at the same time as ZXY.  Maybe I will throw in a Monster Wet Real too.  As you can see from my FL collection, I do like to collect.

[SonicBoom]

Hey jonn and welcome!

I believe the transition period that Uni is referring to isn't really about "learning" how to best use a new sleeve, it's about the difference in material softness between FL products and Japanese meikis.  You may not think this to be a big deal, but most of us that now use meikis once used FL's and had to go through this same transition.

Coming from using FL products and going directly to something as soft as the Maria Ozawa would require quite a bit of sensitivity adjustment on your part.  At first, you may not be able to feel the meiki at all because of it's softness.  And during this transitional period you really can't go back to using FLs if you want to ever enjoy the Maria fully, as it would desensitize you all over again.

That's where Uni's suggestion of the Monster Wet Real comes in.  It's softness level is somewhere in between the FLs and the Maria Ozawa, allowing you much less of a "sensitivity learning curve" as you adjust to this new level of softness.

Keep in mind though, once you allow yourself to get sensitive enough to fully enjoy a soft meiki like the Maria, your FLs probably will not feel as good as you remember.  It may even feel rough and not good at all.  I ended up tossing my entire FL collection once this happened to me.  But I have no regrets, there really isn't anything else like a good meiki.

If you do choose to go ahead and get the Maria Ozawa or ZXY, keep in mind that it may not be stimulating at all for you at first.  But if you keep using it exclusively, your body will adjust to it and it will start to feel pretty good.

SB

[Universal]

Very interesting.  I never thought there might be a transition period quite like that.  I've certainly had some "learning" periods with some of my FL sleeves.  I didn't even like the Lotus after the first session, but after a week or two it was my favorite.  Once I "learned" a sleeve, I could switch between them with no transition period

You should read then reread SBooms post. He expertly filled in the gaps I left. FLs, even with all their variations, are similar.  Same level of firmness, same wide tunnel, same hard case/shell. While what object gets you off changes (a rib, nub, wave or chamber) they just have a certain similarity that I've not found to be the case with the NPG meikis. And that's even comparing designs in the same family like the ZXY and YJY or the Maria and Chika.

Truly, I see the difference in FLs to be more like the difference between starburst strawberry flavor vs. skittles, vs cheap artifical ice cream.  Its all fake strawberry flavoring with small differences in taste due to chemical formulations.

Were you to eat a REAL strawberry, (the Meiki) it would seem foreign and very "non strawberry like" because you don't truly know what strawberry tastes like. 

How this would express itself in the Osawa transition is you having to bang away at it probably with modest stimulation and likely no orgasmic success.

And just like with the strawberry, you are way better off weening off then quitting the skittles for awhile, ESPECIALLY when you commit to learning whether you prefer the taste of real strawberries or strawberry additive. Eating a real strawberry then popping a handful of starburst/skittles will only confuse matters. Just like you sometimes have to train your taste buds, so too you must  your other parts. 

And there is nothing wrong if you find you prefer one over the other (me, I love strawberry candy; can't stand a true strawberry) But you need to give BOTH a fair shot (which, in this case requires isolation) or else you skew the results making the whole attempt really rather pointless.

But with the Japanese toys being so different, maybe I won't be able to switch between them and FLs so easily!  I sure hope that is not the case for me!

Once you have an understanding of them both, you can switch between them without too much difficulty. I still think you will find you will gravitate towards one type or the other because they are so very different then mix it up with the other (I am Meiki first, FL mix up)

Thanks for the suggestion that I use FL and the Plush exclusively for a while, but I just don't see that happening.  I'm looking forward to this complete one-step transformation of the way I masturbate.  Maybe I'll change my mind once I know what I'm dealing with? LOL

Your journey, your decision. All we can offer is MANY of us went through the exact same transition you will (FL is the #1 male toy so thats where we all tended to start) We spent A LOT of money, time, and effort to gain this knowledge we share with you. You are certainly able to disregard it and go your own way (some people have to in order to "own" the process, I get that) But there is a crap ton of very smart, very attuned individuals here who know and have experienced way more than you or even me. Personally, when I set about to do or change something, Im all about results so I seek out those who've "gone before." If you want to give this a real go to see what your true preferences are, you'd be wise to heed everyones advice rather than just "jump in" because you are eager.

MANY people here left FL life completely after discovering the japanese toys. I'm loathe to use the term "better" because it's not relevant to YOUR situation (what you'll find best is individual) but I will say multiple people throwing out hundreds to thousands of dollars worth of toys speaks volumes as to how different these types of masturbators are (jap v. FL) I think seasoned vets can and do have the knowledge and ability to distinguish the qualities and pros/cons of each and enjoy them for what uniqueness each brings to the table.

At first though?  It's a real bitch separating the two equally in your mind and with your body.  You will have much better results focusing rather than trying to have it all, at once, at the first chance you can. If the only way you'll learn is the hard way, so be it. But you could save yourself some money, time, and hassle by giving each series their own chance in their own turn.

Good luck.

Also thanks for the Lube recommendation.  I'll grab a bottle of Peace in my next order too if it is in stock at the same time as ZXY.  Maybe I will throw in a Monster Wet Real too.  As you can see from my FL collection, I do like to collect.

Be careful. Your collecting habit wasn't as counter to the goal in the FL world as it is in Meiki-dom. You can really muddy the waters if you try sleeve after sleeve in succession.  If you need to buy them up front for cost/ownership/out of stock concerns, totally do (I actually think its wise to if you have modest discipline) But trying to use 3 new Meikis mixed in with your FL collection is a recipe for disaster IMO. You'll feel certain sleeves are subpar not because they truly are, you just never gave yourself a proper chance to learn their nuances which is what makes them different/superior to other offerings.

[jonn]

Thanks Universal, SonicBoom.

I decided to order the Monster Wet Real along with Ozawa and Peace lotions.

I think what I will try is to cease using FLs altogether for the next few weeks.  I spent the last month out of town without my toys so I'm already kind of used to not using them.  If I find that Ozawa is too soft and not stimulating enough for me right now, I should have the monster sleeve by mid next week and I'm sure it will help me adjust.

Later on when ZXY comes back in stock, I will order it as well since it is basically the highest rated sleeve on the site and I can't miss that one   No sense in waiting to order it, IMHO.


I forgot to mention earlier that I also ordered a Soloflesh last weekend.  Assuming it ever ships it should arrive soon too.  Anyone here try that?  It is 100% silicone rubber, so it is probably not nearly as soft as a Meiki.  But it also appears more or less untextured so maybe it won't desensitize me like an FL.  In all likelyhood, it will burst during the first use and reach the junk pile even faster than Autoblow did.   

One way or another, the next week or two will include a lot of experimentation and discovery for me.

[SonicBoom]

Thanks Universal, SonicBoom.

I decided to order the Monster Wet Real along with Ozawa and Peace lotions.

I think what I will try is to cease using FLs altogether for the next few weeks.  I spent the last month out of town without my toys so I'm already kind of used to not using them.  If I find that Ozawa is too soft and not stimulating enough for me right now, I should have the monster sleeve by mid next week and I'm sure it will help me adjust.

Later on when ZXY comes back in stock, I will order it as well since it is basically the highest rated sleeve on the site and I can't miss that one   No sense in waiting to order it, IMHO.


I forgot to mention earlier that I also ordered a Soloflesh last weekend.  Assuming it ever ships it should arrive soon too.  Anyone here try that?  It is 100% silicone rubber, so it is probably not nearly as soft as a Meiki.  But it also appears more or less untextured so maybe it won't desensitize me like an FL.  In all likelyhood, it will burst during the first use and reach the junk pile even faster than Autoblow did.   

One way or another, the next week or two will include a lot of experimentation and discovery for me.

Glad I could help out.  It sounds like you've got a good plan. 

And in case both the Monster Wet Real AND Maria isn't all that stimulating at first, just keep at it exclusively.  Your body will adjust in a week or two.  Not using the FLs for awhile is definitely the way to go, but in case it wasn't obvious before, your hands are even rougher than the FLs.   It may be a real test of will power for you, but it should make your first few sessions with your new toys memorable.

SB

PS - No matter which new toys I favor at the moment I always come back to the ZXY.  There's a good reason for it's popularity.

[jonn]

Arrived today as scheduled. 

Everything fully lives up to expectations!  The Maria Ozawa sleeve is definitely softer than the FLs but I enjoyed it immensely (twice already!) and I'm sure as I use it more it will get even better.  The plush is amazing too of course.  It changes everything, for sure.

Still figuring things out, of course.  Will see how it goes in the weeks ahead!