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Title: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 03, 2010, 12:15:48 PM
Here are several news links:

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2010/06/28/daily59.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/07/02/2010-07-02_sextoy_makers_patience_reaches_climax.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-37614-Austin-Market-Examiner~y2010m7d2-Austinbased-maker-of-sex-toys-files-federal-complaints-against-alleged-patent-violators

I was actually laughing while I was reading this.  Those ILF lawyers sound completely lost in all this.  I have a background in federal patents and I can tell you this, if the Japanese makers did not "COPY" the material of the Fleshlight, the Fleshlight Casing, and Name and Trademarks of ILF they will be embarrassed with the outcome.  Of course lawyers make all kinds of claims to lock in their clients money and this is without a doubt the claim.  ILF will be loosing money and time during this "battle".  Not only that the Japanese Sex toy makers now have grounds to counter suit based on Libel and Defamation of their so called "stealing ILF sales" with knock-off products.  I will be following this as much as the media allows and I would suggest we all do here on TD.   
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 03, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
Also, you simply cannot lock in a patent that says you have the right to make, sell, and keep a market...you cannot file a patent that states "I make sex toys out of Elastomer"...much much more goes into accepting patents and takes time to seal in patents and trade-marks.  It is just silly if they are making those claims.  As a former ILF customer and now a Japanese Sex toy fan, I can definitely say ILF chemical materials are not of the same amalgamation and have no bearing on this claim.  There are several companies that make a flashlight like sex toy but that is perfectly fine as long as they do not write Fleshlight trade-makers on their flashlight casing, those casing designs are different anyways.  Their just isn't any grounds for this, ILF must be loosing sales.  In addition, International Trade Commission would really have their work cut out for them.  Patents are filed each and every day around the world with the inventors primary national company origin, cross boarder patents are more difficult to regulate based on each countries patent, trade-mark, and business legislation.  This is just a cry for help, as ILF must be loosing the battle to the real winners of the market.  Long live Tenga and the Japanese Sex toy market  8).  
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 03, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
I'm probably gonna be banned now.  ;D

This is what I said: "Is ILF so pathetic now that they have to file law suits against their competitors because the Japanese products are superior to the pieces of shit ILF puts out? This is absolutely disgusting. ILF must be really desperate to make sells if they have take such action now."

And I posted the links to the articles.

Edit: I'm probably gonna be flamed out the ass. lol
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 03, 2010, 03:15:16 PM
I'm probably gonna be banned now.  ;D

This is what I said: "Is ILF so pathetic now that they have to file law suits against their competitors because the Japanese products are superior to the pieces of shit ILF puts out? This is absolutely disgusting. ILF must be really desperate to make sells if they have take such action now."

And I posted the links to the articles.

Edit: I'm probably gonna be flamed out the ass. lol

awesome job man.  if I wasn't banned many moons ago I would have done the same thing, FUCK ILF...bunch of shitty product bitches.

what is ILF going to try to do now sue me for buying meiki instead of that overpriced piece of junk.  I will convert everyone I know to TD, plus now everyone knows who ILF is so much for being discreet, lol fucking clueless retards
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 03, 2010, 03:19:33 PM
I wish I could've launched a more scathing attack, but I was so pissed off I just put down what I could immediately think up. ILF has really sunk low now. They're trying to do what Microsoft did, back in the day there was a bunch of competitors releasing Windows like operating systems and Microshaft sued and then paid these companies millions of dollars to stop making their software so that Microsuck would have a monopoly. Now it seems like ILF is doing the same. Pathetic.

We need to Boycott ILF. They're not just trying to block the knock-off, but all toys that use the elastomer gel. This means that Meiki and any other Japanese sex toy could be banned from the US.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 03, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
I wish I could've launched a more scathing attack, but I was so pissed off I just put down what I could immediately think up. ILF has really sunk low now. They're trying to do what Microsoft did, back in the day there was a bunch of competitors releasing Windows like operating systems and Microshaft sued and then paid these companies millions of dollars to stop making their software so that Microsuck would have a monopoly. Now it seems like ILF is doing the same. Pathetic.

We need to Boycott ILF. They're not just trying to block the knock-off, but all toys that use the elastomer gel. This means that Meiki and any other Japanese sex toy could be banned from the US.

It won't happen you can NOT patent an elastomer gel, you have to patent the actual mix of chemicals in the gel, the only way to do so would be if the Japanese were using the exact same mix, which they are not...as we both know ILF is using that sticky frog material one would get out of the 50 cent machine at walmart.  

You still have time to do that.  I would go on fleshlight forums and just add a shitload of new topics and just say in each that ILF sucks major dick, and that Japanese toys are 1 trillion times better.  hell I would even advertise other sites
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 03, 2010, 03:32:15 PM
It'd be a useless gesture, the mods would immediately delete the message and then ban my account. I hope ILF embarrasses themselves in court, that'd be a real nice thing to see.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 03, 2010, 03:34:14 PM
It'd be a useless gesture, the mods would immediately delete the message and then ban my account. I hope ILF embarrasses themselves in court, that'd be a real nice thing to see.

your already going to be banned anyways, and the mods arent on there during the weekends
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 03, 2010, 03:37:53 PM
I'm not gonna sink myself to their pathetic level, the people who buy their products are mindless lemmings (well most of them) who think ILF's shit don't stink.

ILF isn't trying to get them for the elastomer gel, they know that's impossible. Instead they're trying to get Tenga for the casing, saying it violates a patent. In other words, they're doing a Microsoft.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 03, 2010, 04:51:12 PM
like that would ever happen, it just isnt tenga either though, they are actually going after 25 total and TD is included because they are a distributer, but I dont see how a tenga case is anything like a fleshlight case or sex in the can, there are a couple that are similar, but not the same

A PATENT WOULD NEVER BE THAT VAGUE
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 03, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
I'll laugh my ass off when Tenga counter sues.  ;D

"How does it violate patent? The Tenga case looks nothing like Fleshlight. Just the fact that it's contained in a plastic shell gives ILF the right to sue? Then they better be suing every one and any one that has ever put a sex toy in a case. Sounds like desperation to me.

I'm sorry, but this just pisses me off. It makes no fucking sense. Going after a competitor cos their product looks some what similar to Fleshlight. This is a free market, if ILF can't handle competition then they should just quit now."

I just posted that on the ILF forum.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 03, 2010, 05:30:49 PM
I'll laugh my ass off when Tenga counter sues.  ;D

"How does it violate patent? The Tenga case looks nothing like Fleshlight. Just the fact that it's contained in a plastic shell gives ILF the right to sue? Then they better be suing every one and any one that has ever put a sex toy in a case. Sounds like desperation to me.

I'm sorry, but this just pisses me off. It makes no fucking sense. Going after a competitor cos their product looks some what similar to Fleshlight. This is a free market, if ILF can't handle competition then they should just quit now."

I just posted that on the ILF forum.

good but like you said fuck em, this isnt going to go any where, Im just laughing at the fact that they have to pay for court fees and any other international fees, and counter suits....dumb ILF  Im over their stupid ass
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Primative on July 03, 2010, 10:06:26 PM
This ILF lawsuit disgusts me. Never had anything against ILF but now I certainly do. Safe to say I hate them now.

More so because their doing this fucks with us, the consumer. If we want tenga we want tenga and and I dont like having someone else tell me what my options are, or even attempt to.

Long live Tenga and Toy Demon, if ILF somehow manages to dick us all over... I dont even know where to start, but I sure have some things in mind.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 04, 2010, 12:33:08 AM
They won't ban them from entering the US, that would be an impossible feat. Instead they'll force them to pay ILF damages. One line that particularly pissed me off said that every Tenga sold is money that rightfully belongs to ILF. Now that is just low and disgusting.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Primative on July 04, 2010, 01:17:30 AM
Not banned no, but decreased accessibility could be a frustrating outcome.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: HornyAzn on July 04, 2010, 03:47:00 AM
This is like Ford trying to sue VW or honda because they're selling cars.
Hope they lose millions thinking any court's gonna believe that a tenga looks/feels anything like a FL.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 04, 2010, 08:07:15 AM
They won't ban them from entering the US, that would be an impossible feat. Instead they'll force them to pay ILF damages. One line that particularly pissed me off said that every Tenga sold is money that rightfully belongs to ILF. Now that is just low and disgusting.

They will not make them pay damages, that is saying ILF will win and that will not happen. 
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Thunderhead on July 04, 2010, 09:52:56 AM
They cannot make quality and even more unusual products so... they blame those who can? For a company that has an average revenue of 27.5 million dollars, they only invests 650,000 for R&D?

There is no argument here nor is there a need for lawsuit. The problem is that they do not pay attention to the competition and let them slip through their fingers. TENGA's disposable designs are in no way alike with the whole 'flashlight' concept; also, if you look at the two, TENGA's designs are far more modernized whereas the fleshlights look like the knock-off with a plastic flashlight case and the silicone tunnel.

Looks like they're trying to pull an Obama on China trick, where Obama wants China to be stronger with their Renmembi (China dollar), but this time, its an Austin-based company crying like a baby. If they're successful in doing this, I really want to write a letter to Ford Automotives and have them sue the entire industry of automotives for 'copyright infringement' since all the cars work on the same mechanics as Henry Ford had developed anyway.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 04, 2010, 01:08:56 PM
I think every one should buy a Tenga to show our support for their vastly superior product.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 04, 2010, 01:10:38 PM
I think every one should buy a Tenga to show our support for their vastly superior product.

I am going to with my next order, but who knows when that will be...the Maria, zXY, and my gf are holdin me over just fine
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: HardGay on July 04, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
That's one disgusting thing... Ilf trying to be a Monopoly??? I wonder who's on the list of the ones being sued.. Seems like they're suing many big sticks in the industry...
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: blargus33 on July 05, 2010, 01:38:36 AM
This sucks.  I hope this all goes terribly for ILF.

Just made what may be my last post at the fleshlight forums.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: HardGay on July 05, 2010, 04:28:09 AM
"The Fleshlight hit the market in 2002 and retails for about $70, and every Tenga sale is a sale that should belong to ILF, Albright said."

Every BurgerKing/Wendy's burger sold is a sale that belong to Mcdonalds... and every PapaJohns/Domino's pizza sold is a sale belong to PizzaHut riiiighhhht.....

I suppose if the material are the same mixture they might have a case...which i highly doubt they are... I was thinking of getting a FL just for the heck of comparing...but not anymore after seeing how this company operates..

Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 05, 2010, 07:52:50 AM
blargus33, doubt that was your last post, it wasn't that offensive, but I wouldn't be surprised if they gave you the boot

hardgay, you would have been disappointed because it isn't even a comparison, you would have wished you got a meiki and some tengas with that money instead...save yourself (yes me) the hardache
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Paste on July 05, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
I am so absolutely disgusted at ILF for pulling this bullshit.  I hope ILF loses millions of dollars.  ToyDemon you guys are awesome, please get fantastic lawyers and make ILF pay for this idiocy.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 05, 2010, 12:44:04 PM
Way to go Paste! I just saw your post on the ILF forum.  ;D

And welcome Blarguss! I've seen you post frequently on the ILF, welcome to the real world of adult sex toys.  ;D

Couldn't ToyDemon sue ILF?
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 05, 2010, 04:04:45 PM
Sounds like they're going after Tenga specifically because of the plastic shell, according to what Paste posted in the ILF forum. I wonder how Tenga will respond?

ILF doing this shit would be like the makers of Meiki suing Clone DNA for copying the Meikis. Apparently ILF just can't handle the competition and they're turning to legal means to clear the playing field. What a disgusting and underhanded thing. ILF can go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 06, 2010, 01:12:53 AM
A forum member just said down with Tenga, power to the people. More like oppression of the people.

I think I'll start making plans to move to Japan. lol
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 06, 2010, 04:38:15 AM
this is funny because those fleshlight retards (yes the males with more than 3 fleshlights) think they all stumbled across the worlds answer to being single.  HAHAHAHA, NOPE! these idiots are clueless.  It all comes down to customers preference, and although I like my Meikis right now the best, I would go for the tenga over a fleshlight any day.  Lets face it fleshlight is like the problem child in school.  they smell bad, are sticky and tacky, require high maintenance, and try to bully everyone over in school.  Tenga is NOT going anywhere, and ILF will lose, I am very positive about that.  It's very unethical in the business realm to try a maneuver like this, but now we all know what and who ILF is...what ILF alread lost was concealed business profits, discreet packing to the consumer, and many would be customers (before this all happened I was never going to be buy one again, but now you can make sure everyone I know that is into sextoys will not buy one again either).  

  
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: xytan4 on July 06, 2010, 01:00:42 PM
Yeah, I didn't hate ILF before this but now I hate their guts.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: RedTheBlue on July 07, 2010, 03:35:55 PM
I registered on ILF forums once because I was looking for a product to use. Then I found ToyDemon and abandoned the idea of doing so.

That community is weird and everyone on there seems to have major issues with women or something.

Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: DaaaBears on July 07, 2010, 04:23:44 PM
Gosh, this disgusts me. Not like I will ever buy from ILF, but now I will tell people not to buy from ILF.

Japanese toys and ToyDemon FTW.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 07, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
I registered on ILF forums once because I was looking for a product to use. Then I found ToyDemon and abandoned the idea of doing so.

That community is weird and everyone on there seems to have major issues with women or something.



hahah, yeah they are all obsessed with fleshlights and think its the answer to being single, NOT...i have a gf and still have toys, this site is definitely more mature than ilf that is for one thing and we keep things on topic
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: muddbutt on July 07, 2010, 07:54:26 PM
I haven't noticed much of a difference in the members of each forum. Just sayin.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: HardGay on July 07, 2010, 09:25:58 PM
anyone know what exactly is the case about??? what does ILF have for their patent..and if that actually has a case against tenga.. ???
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: sextoyjunkie on July 08, 2010, 01:33:23 AM
LMAO They are just mad because everyone is throwing away their messlights and going with the realistic japanese & korean toys!!!!
HAHA give em Hell toydemon!!! :)
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 08, 2010, 04:41:08 AM
LMAO They are just mad because everyone is throwing away their messlights and going with the realistic japanese & korean toys!!!!
HAHA give em Hell toydemon!!! :)

ahahaha, messlight good one, yeah td will probably get more business from this farce.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Thunderhead on July 08, 2010, 06:12:48 PM
what're they going to do next? sue every company that makes dildos?
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: HornyAzn on July 09, 2010, 02:41:54 AM
no they're gonna sue every vagina.
because clearly every vagina is just a walking fleshlight.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: sven11 on July 11, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
ILF... what a bunch of asses. Can't believe I once bought their @#!@ product. I'm disgusted with myself and I'm even more disgusted as to how low ILF are willing to go to stamp out their competition.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 11, 2010, 06:32:41 PM
Yeah, I didn't hate ILF before this but now I hate their guts.

bullshit, why would say that your meiki was shit on their site, and then suck on their nuts >:(

Meiki FTW, fuckoff fleshlight ;)
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: muddbutt on July 11, 2010, 08:31:30 PM
This FL vs every Japanese sextoy crap is getting old. Yes the ILF lawsuit is bullshit but not all Japanese toys beat it. All toys have pros and cons.

And that's not the first time I've seen xtyan4 pull crap that this, I've called him out on it before. 
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 11, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
This FL vs every Japanese sextoy crap is getting old. Yes the ILF lawsuit is bullshit but not all Japanese toys beat it. All toys have pros and cons.

And that's not the first time I've seen xtyan4 pull crap that this, I've called him out on it before. 

yes, it is getting old...I was just calling him out to make everyone else aware of this...his input is useless at this point, I still have a fleshlight forum account and three fleshlights that I am going to destroy and delete, to each their own you like them I don't simple as that...but this is something people readily ask about, fleshlight vs. meiki...so I give my opinion. 
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: muddbutt on July 11, 2010, 08:52:16 PM
This FL vs every Japanese sextoy crap is getting old. Yes the ILF lawsuit is bullshit but not all Japanese toys beat it. All toys have pros and cons.

And that's not the first time I've seen xtyan4 pull crap that this, I've called him out on it before. 

yes, it is getting old...I was just calling him out to make everyone else aware of this...his input is useless at this point, I still have a fleshlight forum account and three fleshlights that I am going to destroy and delete, to each their own you like them I don't simple as that...but this is something people readily ask about, fleshlight vs. meiki...so I give my opinion. 

Respectable. Im convinced that other guy is just a troll.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 11, 2010, 08:56:51 PM
forward men...lol, yea we need to start a new topic on future products, revolutionary stuff like the real touch or something  ;D
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: HardGay on July 12, 2010, 07:15:28 AM
I have seen those real touch toys in action...pretty neat stuff...heh...the only fear is when that motor belt in there goes haywire and spin at ultra speed... ;D hopefully one can pull out fast enough before their member gets sharpened..
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: muddbutt on July 12, 2010, 10:59:56 AM
Do you still have to pay for vod with the real touch? Thats really to only thing that kills that toy for me.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 12, 2010, 07:29:14 PM
Do you still have to pay for vod with the real touch? Thats really to only thing that kills that toy for me.

Not sure, but that would hold me back too.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: MwolfW on July 12, 2010, 10:30:46 PM
xytan4 is a complete loser. On the FL Forums he's bashing Meiki and when over here he bashed FL. I'm gonna say hes never bought a Meiki or Fleshlight before. Its ridiculous. So here's his two complaints.

1) His fleshlight got screwed up. The explanation: Left sperm insider, red spots appeared.
Unless you have radioactive sperm that doesn't happen as Fleshlight and any sex toy for that matter is made with the purpose of using it. If sperm can destroy it, its not a good sex toy. Turns out, it wasn't radioactive stuff. It was discoloration. What does that tell us? xtyan4 is 12.

2) His second complaint was on the FL Forums. He said the Meiki was overstimulating. Not much of a complaint. Goes to show how good it is. But he also mentioned here that it ripped. Hmm. I wonder how a toy that's overstimulating and in his words "better" than Fleshlight can rip with just one use? If it was overstimulating he would have thrown it away. But that wasn't the problem. He said it ripped. But in one use? Really? I doubt that as I actually tried to destroy mine and it didn't rip. I literally couldn't do it even with a knife. How did he rip it on his first use? The lip tore? Unless it was already torn or he really tried to break it, it won't break with one use. And because of that he hates Toydemon.

So here's what we gather: He likes Fleshlight, hes confused about what happens to rubber(Fleshlight) when you let it get infected, he then hates Fleshlight(though that's a lie) and he comes here and buys a Meiki(another lie) because if he did buy one he wouldn't say it ripped or that its overstimulating when its not (the thing is under stimulating and that's its only complaint from actual customers), so he didn't buy one and hes pretending to hate FL, he even calls what he said "stupid things" and I agree but not just what he said here but about everything he says, so he goes back to FL and says he doesn't hate FL anymore exactly the same time we call him a liar for hating FL and then he lies again by saying this was before he tried the Meiki when in reality he tired the Meiki ages ago. His thread about it ripping isn't even close to when this thread was made.

So in simpler words: xtyan4 is a lying traitor and deserves to be with the weirdo masturbators who despise real woman and love their fleshlights more than themselves.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 13, 2010, 05:09:20 AM
yeah, but lets move on now...that person is old news

Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Paste on July 22, 2010, 08:07:32 PM
I found this article on ILFs lawsuit from a blog on patents -

Is That a Flashlight in Your Pocket...?
To prove that we are not all about seriousness and gravitas here at Patentology, we are amused to learn that Interactive Life Forms, LLC ("ILF") has brought suit in the US District Court for the Western District of Texas against more than 20 companies it accuses of infringing two patents that cover a sex toy for men that resembles a flashlight, known as the "FL".

Obviously, this is a very serious matter for ILF, which is just as entitled to protection for its innovative products as companies in any other industry.  But the schoolboy in us cannot help sniggering just a little behind our hand over this one, as we wonder whether this case is going to get on a "rocket docket"!

Some of the more entertainingly-named respondents include Honey's Place Inc, Liberator Inc, Satistec LLC, Polydigitech Inc, Sawhorse Enterprises Inc, and (of course) Gigglesworld Corporation.

Who knew that the market for male sex toys disguised as everyday household items was so competitive?!

You can, if you feel so inclined, read the full complaint, and the two related patents US 5,782,818 and US 5,807,360.

We will keep you posted and/or enlighten you, if we hear of any further developments in this case!


Also, ILFs so-called "patents" I have not seen a single product on Toydemon that looks like the pictures on these. 

http://2201878450172827718-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/patentologydownloads/US5782818.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7crEsOq4298mcIhvWPQsxQtl5OYXVGRhSABwK9mNKXhV1AgwOueH9p7hzeFMGcGW_NUFQdQJnRh7UQJIXYspj4scHTWGF_nmMt37cWXWmXjamTzo-9gMJ-tpA2tpvF4KuezGsAcVQzrr5u-KG2n7b_omceY4Hj6UtAn6GxVm6FpXADiuXBOJsCtB9joEzFZXyDa5bzAgsjRgYrUuC66aZgPD7x1cmA%3D%3D&attredirects=0 (http://2201878450172827718-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/patentologydownloads/US5782818.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7crEsOq4298mcIhvWPQsxQtl5OYXVGRhSABwK9mNKXhV1AgwOueH9p7hzeFMGcGW_NUFQdQJnRh7UQJIXYspj4scHTWGF_nmMt37cWXWmXjamTzo-9gMJ-tpA2tpvF4KuezGsAcVQzrr5u-KG2n7b_omceY4Hj6UtAn6GxVm6FpXADiuXBOJsCtB9joEzFZXyDa5bzAgsjRgYrUuC66aZgPD7x1cmA%3D%3D&attredirects=0)


http://2201878450172827718-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/patentologydownloads/US5807360.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7coUZR0J_dfHpIXjwAhdUSAe_YHCf00MXxkGdCZkS-9YtZqgpWY-fJaN4URHGUMGfAPlnjWxWpu_WIKYShUZTZbep9hdB_B8asd4rRnci2Ov6c848NcOHSFc-q7YNLNFrJ2LesD21roJ-qbVQq8-rDfsljQE96v5-ohkfuaZpO8lyilUzu7oe_joKNOA03RtSwdwv7PtMh5eVJrweQDl0JY369_nVw%3D%3D&attredirects=0 (http://2201878450172827718-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/patentologydownloads/US5807360.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7coUZR0J_dfHpIXjwAhdUSAe_YHCf00MXxkGdCZkS-9YtZqgpWY-fJaN4URHGUMGfAPlnjWxWpu_WIKYShUZTZbep9hdB_B8asd4rRnci2Ov6c848NcOHSFc-q7YNLNFrJ2LesD21roJ-qbVQq8-rDfsljQE96v5-ohkfuaZpO8lyilUzu7oe_joKNOA03RtSwdwv7PtMh5eVJrweQDl0JY369_nVw%3D%3D&attredirects=0)

Also, ILFs Bullshit "complaint" - most of the 22 PAGES

http://2201878450172827718-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/patentologydownloads/178609-interactive.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7co14JvffVWbCzASzdSbPXmri18hhv_1vlgKDdhvZ-AR9xvPjU2a58fKoNAr1mkUHQ73302CDi0OJ3hYgHsyDh3pOOq1uSQx5x7dqJXu19x5T1VqO-eNGyOHLvFHDHPFGiFsJ0ZzXBS4i1V-ielD8wn-ZNpmxzDHA80xeqV-QZG52OK95NJlbpo9pO1Ed_aM0Fh4QFQURGIFfgsxxjj_wfejUt0c_g%3D%3D&attredirects=0 (http://2201878450172827718-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/patentologydownloads/178609-interactive.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7co14JvffVWbCzASzdSbPXmri18hhv_1vlgKDdhvZ-AR9xvPjU2a58fKoNAr1mkUHQ73302CDi0OJ3hYgHsyDh3pOOq1uSQx5x7dqJXu19x5T1VqO-eNGyOHLvFHDHPFGiFsJ0ZzXBS4i1V-ielD8wn-ZNpmxzDHA80xeqV-QZG52OK95NJlbpo9pO1Ed_aM0Fh4QFQURGIFfgsxxjj_wfejUt0c_g%3D%3D&attredirects=0)


Fucking ILF is even suing Liberator, who they partnered with for the Motion hands free toys, simply because they sell Tenga products.  Yuck.

They basically have a somewhat valid claim against 1 company (maybe, I'm no patent lawyer) but they decided just to sue everybody and see what happens.  Nice business ethics.  I hope ILF wastes a shit ton of money on this bullshit.  It would be hilarious if this frivolous shit case was thrown out and ILF got hit with a class action counter suit from all those companies.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: DaaaBears on July 22, 2010, 10:56:48 PM
Haha, ILF. It really is funny how they're ruining all their relationships with pretty much everyone in the industry.

I could see the case of the blatant fleshlight copy, however, Tenga and everything else just seems like a joke. I really hope it backfires for them and the industry as a whole shun them out. That'd be great!
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Paste on July 24, 2010, 05:40:53 AM
So I asked a Patent and Trademark Attorney, who also holds a PhD and a Masters of Intellectual Property Law about ILFs patents and case, this is what he had to say...



Thank you for your question regarding the article entitled "Is that a Flashlight in your pocket...?"
 
I understand that you are wondering how Interactive Life Forms (ILF) can sue companies for manufacturing elastomer sex toys, when they did not invent elastomer.
 
It is important to understand that scope of a patent is wholly determined by its granted claims.  Only activites or products that are covered by one or more claims are considered to infringe the patent.
 
In this case, it is illustrative to look at just one claim of ILF's patents, such as claim 1 of US 5,807,360.  The claim reads:

    1. A device useful for discreet and camouflaged collection of sperm from human males, comprising:
        an outer shell having an inside chamber and an exterior with the appearance of a first device having, said shell having openings to provide access to said inside chamber;
        at least one removable cap on said shell for enclosing at least one end of said inside chamber, said cap having an exterior appearance compatible with said device;
        vent means for providing for release of air in said device;
        an insert formed from an elastomeric gel having simulating human flesh of the type forming sexually receptive orifices and removeably mountable into said inside chamber upon removal of said cap, said insert having a first end for insertion into said inside chamber and having a second end having an opening providing an orifice, said second end being positioned to be exposed upon removal of said cap.

While this claim requires that the device include "an insert formed from an elastomeric gel", this is not, in itself, the invention.  The "essence" of the invention in this claim is a male sex toy that is disguised as an ordinary household object, such as a flashlight.
 
So, for example, the shell of the toy must have the appearance of a "device" (this is a generalisaton of the flashlight concept).  It must have openings to allow access to the interior.  It must have a removable cap, that contributes to creating the external illusion of being an ordinary object.  It must have a vent for releasing air.  And finally, it must have an elastomeric insert that simulates "human flesh" of the appropriate type, which becomes accessible once the cap is removed.
 
It is not possible to say whether ILF "has a case" against the respondents without much more information.  However, if they manufacture sex toys for men disguised as ordinary household objects such as flashlights, then it is certainly possible that they would infringe this claim.
 
The other question is whether the patent is valid.  There will no doubt be a dispute over this.  One key question will be whether somebody else disclosed a similar product before it was invented by ILF.  The patent application was originally filed on 27 September 1996, so ILF must have come up with the idea sometime before that.
 
The questions of infringement and validity can only be resolved once the court has looked at all of the relevant evidence.  I can only assume that ILF believes that it has a solid case, or it would not have sued.
 
I hope this addresses your question.  Thank you for your interest.


Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 24, 2010, 08:10:54 AM
thanks paste, it seems like that attorney knows what he is talking about.  ilf doesn't have a claim really, once they open the patents and see how broadly vague they are they will look at the device more intensely and compare the to defense. just think of how many knockoff things there are, just go into any dollar store and youll see, it is the same concept here.  i think even the ones that look like flashlights will be fine, it isnt the same material, it isnt the same shape, they just happen to look like flashlights
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Paste on July 24, 2010, 09:40:43 AM
ILF is suing (among others) -

Nalpac Ltd. - wholesale distributor, they don't appear to even sell the Japanese toys , just the Cyberskin crap.

Liberator - Apparently, only because they sell TENGA now.

Satistec - Apparently, only because they sell TENGA.

Universal Distributor - another wholesale co. they don't appear to sell Japanese toys, only Cyberskin garbage.

Williams Trading Co. - appears to be wholesale also.  They appear to be a distributor for ILF, HAHA!  ILF is suing their own distributors!!  They don't appear to sell Japanese toys either.

Holiday Products - Wholesale distributor

Barnaby Ltd. - Couldn't find any info on them

LFP Inc. - Larry Flint Productions!  ILF is suing Hustler magazine! HAHAHA!  Larry Flint is going to destroy this lawsuit.

LFP Internet Group - Another Larry Flint company.

PHE Inc. - Just for selling TENGA and cyberskin/jelly crap.

Polydigitech - Our much beloved ToyDemon  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Sawhorse Enterprises Inc. -  for selling TENGA

TEG - Couldn't find any info on them

Web Merchants Inc. - Found them on Google but don't know what they do.


I am so blown away by the scope of it all.  Where to even begin commenting.  ILFs lawyers are incredibly brave and greedy to be pulling this shit.

If you read the complaint, I LOVE the end of paragraph 40 which states that the public interest would be served by issuance of an injunction.  You have to explain how, unjustly and forcibly, removing choices from consumers in a free market economy serves the public interest.

ILF is also suing Shenzhen Shaki who allegedly manufactured an identical product as the FL and sold it under the name "Fleshlight".  This is the only somewhat valid claim IMO.  However, I don't believe Shaki was producing, marketing or selling in the U.S. and I do not know if U.S. patents are valid internationally.

Shenzhen Shaki Industrial Ltd. appears to be a Chinese company that makes extraordinarily cheap crap sex toys.  Good luck getting money from them.  :D

Edit: Italics
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on July 24, 2010, 11:40:05 AM
well, we already know they are going to be losing money.  do you know what it costs to retain an attorney?  no doubt this case will take a long time, internationally and all, it will take years (3-5) just to hear several cases, and probably 10 to just to try them all in the US and abroad.  this wont be cheap and they wont win them all, maybe one or two at the most, if that, IMO only one if they really sold it as "fleshlight".  it just shows the type of people they have working there, a bunch of idiots, rank and file.  

I think it's awesome that TD is opening a new website in the mist of all this, FTW TD   8)
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: blahblahblah on July 25, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
That's interesting that they're suing LFP Inc. That is a company with very deep pockets and a history of employing lawyers. I hope this backfires on ILF.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: casquetero on July 26, 2010, 04:23:34 PM
From my limited personal experience with trademarks and patents:

1- The lawsuit includes not only the manufacturer of the "offending" product(s) but its / their distributors. That is a common tactic to slow or avoid the sales of the offending product. It doesn't matter if some of the organizations included in the suit also distribute your product. Usually, you contact the distributor and ask them to stop carrying an offending product - if they don't stop carrying it, you include them in the lawsuit.

2- I haven't read the complaint (and I don't plan to - I have other shit to do), but if ILF has some sort of trademark or patent on their sleeves' inner designs, then they could have something on some of the companies included.

I wrote this based on personal experiences on a patent lawsuit I was involved 10 years ago.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Paste on July 27, 2010, 02:55:25 PM
From my limited personal experience with trademarks and patents:

1- The lawsuit includes not only the manufacturer of the "offending" product(s) but its / their distributors. That is a common tactic to slow or avoid the sales of the offending product. It doesn't matter if some of the organizations included in the suit also distribute your product. Usually, you contact the distributor and ask them to stop carrying an offending product - if they don't stop carrying it, you include them in the lawsuit.

Thanks for the info.  ;D

2- I haven't read the complaint (and I don't plan to - I have other shit to do), but if ILF has some sort of trademark or patent on their sleeves' inner designs, then they could have something on some of the companies included.

I wrote this based on personal experiences on a patent lawsuit I was involved 10 years ago.

You browse the masturbation forums of two separate male sex toy websites and post in threads about lawsuits that you haven't read and you expect me to believe you have other shit to do? ...  Seriously?   ??? ???

The patents they are suing over are the patents I linked above.  :-*

How did your lawsuit turn out?
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Thunderhead on August 03, 2010, 09:02:12 AM
If their lawsuit fails, the court might sue them for misusing the court.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Paste on August 07, 2010, 09:49:17 AM
According to an article on xbiz.com - http://www.xbiznewswire.com/view.php?id=122492  ILF is also suing -

California Exotic Novelties
Pipedream Products
Honey’s Place

In total, the complaint names 7 manufacturers, 11 distributors and 7 retailers.

"They also say that according to the complaint, the companies aren’t licensed to use the elastomeric gel invention and aren’t paying royalties."

Brian Shubin, Fleshlight's executive vice president told XBIZ. "We have intellectual property rights and its our obligation to defend them." -  ILF does not have intellectual property rights on elastomer, ILF DID NOT INVENT IT, asshole...

"Shubin said two patents and multiple trademarks are being violated through the sales of these products, but he added, Fleshlight is willing to work with all parties to come to an amicable agreement" - He already knows they don't have a case and hopes everyone settles out of court to avoid negative publicity, it's the adult entertainment industry, any publicity is good publicity for them.  What trademarks are being violated by any other than 1 of the companies ILF is suing?

More info on ILFs complaints can be found here, including a full list of the companies they are unjustly suing.

http://www.itcblog.com/20100706/interactive-life-forms-files-new-337-complaint-regarding-certain-devices-having-elastomeric-gel/

ILF is also spending an incredible amount of money on this lawsuit, they hired attorneys from www.bracewellgiuliani.com which is apparently a very good law firm.  They don't appear to be patent attorneys though, more e-commerce and energy/environmental concerns.  ILFs lawyer, Alan Albright, served as a United States Magistrate Judge in the Austin Division of the Western District of Texas, and if you read ILFs complaint, they are requesting the trial venue be, where else? but... the Western District of Texas!  Surely, there is no conflict of interest there? Right?  Just because the prosecuting attorney served as a judge in the same district he wants to prosecute the case?  He probably doesn't have any friends who owe him favors in that district, right?... 

What a shit case, fucking transparent as hell what ILF is trying to do, force all their competition out of business.  Greedy bastards.

Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: Paste on August 21, 2010, 10:19:12 AM
I found ILFs International Trade Commission (ITC) complaint here - (it's a pdf)

http://www.itcblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/interactivelifeformscomplaint.pdf (http://www.itcblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/interactivelifeformscomplaint.pdf)

Pages iv - viii list the "evidence" I googled some of the products listed and they are mostly crap, the kind of stuff you see in adult bookstores.  Some of them, such as the Joy-Lite are obvious knock-offs but the TENGA Flip Hole is not similar at all. 

I'm curious to know if it was ILF that thought of suing TENGA or was it the lawyers?  Without suing TENGA, they don't get to sue as many large companies such as LFP Inc, PHE Inc, Sawhorse etc... so there wouldn't be as much money to collect if they win the case. If ILF is going to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on a lawsuit they want to make it worthwhile and if they can put some of their competition out of business in the process, even better for them.  I'm going to take a shot in the dark and assume that business ethics is not a major concern over at ILF.

Can anyone honestly look at a FL and then a TENGA Fliphole and say, "Gee, they look almost identical!"  The Fliphole is not disguised as anything, it doesn't have an opening at the bottom and I don't even think the insert is elastomer. 

ILF didn't just get one lawyer for this, they have such a weak, bullshit case they had to get EIGHT incredibly overpriced lawyers to try and steamroll this complaint/lawsuit through the legal system.  I wonder how much the lawyers are getting per hour? $350+?  Whew, adds up fast.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: yourself on August 21, 2010, 04:31:53 PM
hey paste,

thanks for following this BS, much appreciated. 8)
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: HardGay on August 22, 2010, 08:32:36 PM
Still makes no sense at all...but i guess business is war~
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: sextoyjunkie on August 22, 2010, 09:52:53 PM
Yeah they are wrong for trying to sue, dont take it out on japanese toy makers, take it out on themselves they the ones who constructed
those nasty sticky smelly little things they claim to feel like real pussy and it doesnt! I melted my fleshlight case and flushed it down the toilet!!!
i should of taken a crap on it before i flushed it!!

Go to hell Fleshlight!!!
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: boldav49 on December 10, 2011, 10:39:20 PM
Jeez, whatever happened to this big law suit that ILF made against Tenga and its distributors? I googled around and saw nothing more. Was it all just a to scare off the competition. Kind of sad really since I've bought some stuff from ILF. Well, it's nice to see Tenga products are still being sold here.  I haven't tried them yet because I'm more interested in realism and the NPG Meiki's and DNA Clone. I'd really hate it if I lost my choices and I was stuck with just one product to buy.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: sextoyjunkie on December 19, 2011, 02:39:06 AM
Jeez, whatever happened to this big law suit that ILF made against Tenga and its distributors? I googled around and saw nothing more. Was it all just a to scare off the competition. Kind of sad really since I've bought some stuff from ILF. Well, it's nice to see Tenga products are still being sold here.  I haven't tried them yet because I'm more interested in realism and the NPG Meiki's and DNA Clone. I'd really hate it if I lost my choices and I was stuck with just one product to buy.

ILF can't touch with the Japanese Sex Toy Industry with a 12,000 mile foot pole, they should just give up lol well they probably already did.
Lol
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: boldav49 on December 19, 2011, 09:13:56 AM
Yes, it's kind of weird. All that fuss and then nothing. I'm not sure why they even bothered at all. It's not like the Tenga Flip, which of course looks NOTHING like a FL, was suddenly going to steal away all their business. The simple fact is that the FLIP along with most Japanese sex toys is only available in limited quantities in the U.S. Just look around at the few retailers in the U.S. like TD who sell Japanese toys, and you will see that they run out of inventory pretty quickly on the more popular models. This of course is because toy connoisseurs like ourselves know quality when we see it, and we snap them up as soon they arrive. However, the average guy in the U.S. doesn't even know they exist, and their primary source of information regarding masturbators comes from all the glossy advertisements put out by big domestic companies like FL. Personally as an American, I'd rather see FL stop wasting their time and money on frivolous lawsuits, and instead focus their efforts on improving their nice products to make them as good if not better then the Japanese ones. However, for now I'm saving my Christmas money for the next shipment of foreign toys.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: ToyDemon on December 19, 2011, 02:07:40 PM
Things likely are quiet as each company may be legally restricted in what they can say....
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: boldav49 on December 19, 2011, 04:16:13 PM
True, true, you are correct.  The lawyers from all sides have probably told their clients to not say a word about the case.  Hopefully, they can come to some amicable agreement as there seems to be room for more manufacturers and better innovations for all types of sex toys in the world.
Title: Re: ILF files lawsuit against Tenga and other Japanese Sex toy Companies
Post by: sextoyjunkie on December 19, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
Things likely are quiet as each company may be legally restricted in what they can say....

Yeah now since you've said that, you've got a point. This could be what's going on
I just hope they're not on a mission secretly to take out all our Meiki's! from us!!!