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Title: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 07, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
I'll try to keep this short and sweet: any bird owners know that birds lose a lot of their heat through their feet. So, if you can keep their feet toasty during the winter, you have a happy parrot/parakeet.

Any owner of a male masturbator knows that our toys are much more enjoyable when they are warm.

The intersection between cock and cockatiel is the heated perch, a multi-purpose element that will keep both rambunctious beasts toasty in the winter. The benefit of using a heated perch is that there is no need to clean up water, there is zero fire hazard and the toy can heat your unit up to 98 degrees F. DFriday reports that caution must be taken not to leave the perch in the toy for too long (in his case he left it for 2 hours), as heat buildup can cause damage. Thus I recommend doing your own trials.

First of all, the perch can be left plugged in. It consumes very little electricity. That way it is available when you want to use it, instead of having to wait for it to warm up. Try 10 minute heating intervals. 10, 20, 30 minutes. Choose which of those intervals is most comfortable for you and just set a timer next time.

(http://i.tfcdn.com/img2/0uJ-WTkAYyr7zMhQkFpSzJBRUlJgpa-fmZuYnlqsBxRKy89PScksSk0u0UvOz9U3MTA3NDAzMIrPSdfLKkgHAA**/fyVMtP8A)

I recommend the KH perch. Small size is preferable as I find it heats more evenly than medium. To the best of my knowledge, KH Pet Supplies is not in direct competition with Toydemon. I also happen to know that KH is a good company that provides excellent support for its products, and I have owned heated perches that have lasted for years.

Make sure you remove your parrot before heating your Meiki.

This may seem like a joke post but I am 100% serious. These heaters are around 30-40 bucks on Amazon, use very little electricity and are safe.

Demondabbler
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Captainawesome on November 07, 2012, 08:47:26 PM

 That's a pretty cool find. I'm trying to imagine myself in a pet store.

 Me: Excuse me ma'am do you have a heated parrot perch
 Store Clerk: Sure, what kind of parrot do you have?
 Me: I have an uhh? I have an Ozawa parrot Ma'am.
 Store Clerk: Wow, that sounds like an interesting breed I have never heard of that.
 Me: Yes, it's a rare breed only found in Japan.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: SonicBoom on November 07, 2012, 09:56:58 PM

 That's a pretty cool find. I'm trying to imagine myself in a pet store.

 Me: Excuse me ma'am do you have a heated parrot perch
 Store Clerk: Sure, what kind of parrot do you have?
 Me: I have an uhh? I have an Ozawa parrot Ma'am.
 Store Clerk: Wow, that sounds like an interesting breed I have never heard of that.
 Me: Yes, it's a rare breed only found in Japan.

I'm pretty sure that won't work for me, I live in Hawaii ;D  I can just imagine the look on the sales clerk's face when I have to explain that I keep my parrot in the refrigerator!

SB
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 08, 2012, 06:49:45 AM

 That's a pretty cool find. I'm trying to imagine myself in a pet store.

 Me: Excuse me ma'am do you have a heated parrot perch
 Store Clerk: Sure, what kind of parrot do you have?
 Me: I have an uhh? I have an Ozawa parrot Ma'am.
 Store Clerk: Wow, that sounds like an interesting breed I have never heard of that.
 Me: Yes, it's a rare breed only found in Japan.

I'm pretty sure that won't work for me, I live in Hawaii ;D  I can just imagine the look on the sales clerk's face when I have to explain that I keep my parrot in the refrigerator!

SB

Hahaha :), I love these responses! But for sure, that's what Amazon is for muaahaha!
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: HardGay on November 08, 2012, 09:37:24 AM
And being that over half of the population of Hawaii are Japanese...they'd probably figure out who the Ozawa Parrot is...lol :D
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: johnhiggin on November 09, 2012, 06:22:16 AM
I like this idea in theory but have a few questions.

How long does the perch take to heat up and what kind of time are we talking about to heat up the toy to a realistic level?

Would you have to lube up the perch a bit to get the toy to slide on? I'm thinking yes although some spit would probably be enough.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 10, 2012, 08:49:11 AM
I like this idea in theory but have a few questions.

How long does the perch take to heat up and what kind of time are we talking about to heat up the toy to a realistic level?

Would you have to lube up the perch a bit to get the toy to slide on? I'm thinking yes although some spit would probably be enough.

Hey John,

Good questions. Heating up the toy should take about 10 minutes. I think of it a bit of "set it and forget it", as opposed to having to run back and forth with hot water. You do need to put a little bit of lube on the unit to slide it in, but that presents no challenges as the perch itself is plastic.

I think that size SMALL heats up more for its size than medium.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 10, 2012, 12:17:29 PM
I like this idea in theory but have a few questions.

How long does the perch take to heat up and what kind of time are we talking about to heat up the toy to a realistic level?

Would you have to lube up the perch a bit to get the toy to slide on? I'm thinking yes although some spit would probably be enough.

Sorry, I didn't answer your first question. The perch gets heated up within 3 minutes. The toy will get heated up in about 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: spray on November 10, 2012, 04:42:05 PM
I had to LOL at the pet store search for the rare Ozawa Parrot! Thanks for that!

Demondabbler: Thanks for finding this! Very creative. I had been thinking of buying a heating pad, but this product warms the inside. Perfect. I do have some concerns about whether the end of the device also heats up - it is over 10" long! Still, I believe this is the best solution yet to the body warmth simulation problem.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 11, 2012, 12:28:41 AM
I had to LOL at the pet store search for the rare Ozawa Parrot! Thanks for that!

Demondabbler: Thanks for finding this! Very creative. I had been thinking of buying a heating pad, but this product warms the inside. Perfect. I do have some concerns about whether the end of the device also heats up - it is over 10" long! Still, I believe this is the best solution yet to the body warmth simulation problem.

Hey Spray,

That is a very astute observation. Most of the stick heats up. I would say 9-9.5". Right around the tip it doesn't produce as much heat. But overall the unit will warm the inside of your toy quite well!
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: johnhiggin on November 12, 2012, 05:35:11 PM
Thanks for the info. I think I may get one of these even though I'm not fussy about warming up my sleeves. For the price and ease of use though this seems like it's worth it.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 14, 2012, 01:45:40 AM
Thanks for the info. I think I may get one of these even though I'm not fussy about warming up my sleeves. For the price and ease of use though this seems like it's worth it.

Good luck John. I recommend the small size, seems to heat up better than the medium.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on November 17, 2012, 08:59:04 AM
Got one (the small, from Amazon.com, gotta love Prime shipping...).  It works, but it's not perfect.  Let me dwell on the negatives and provide some suggestions.

If you walk away and leave it, it gets  too hot. 

My Meiki ZXY had seen better days, and had multiple tears around the orifice, but she was still usable, and still lots of fun.  I stuck her on the new Thermo-Perch, as it slowly heated up.  A couple of minutes in, I had to leave to deal with something urgent -- I didn't unplug the Thermo-Perch because I thought I'd be back momentarily, but stuff got complicated and I forgot about my Meiki on the Thermo-Perch until I was able to return about 2 hours later.

Removing the Thermo-Perch, I stick my finger into the Meiki and my initial impression is that it's too hot, that I certainly don't want to be sticking my sensitive organ in there. Additionally it appeared to have gotten hot enough to mold the inside of the Meiki to the shape of the Thermo-Perch.  As the Meiki cooled off, I did use it, and my impression was confirmed, as the interior texture of the Meiki appeared to have been flattened, and was much smoother than it had been previously. Let's just say it was less stimulating than it had been in the past.  Suddenly my ZXY is no longer the ZXY I had grown to love.  So I'm going to need to buy a new one.

Moral of the story:
Don't leave your Meiki on the Thermo-perch unattended for any significant period of time.

Since this was my first use of the TP, I don't know what the optimal warming time is, but if we know what an appropriate warming time is, then I would recommend setting an alarm on your phone, so that you'll know when to remove the TP from your Meiki before it gets too hot and harm is done.

The right way to do this would be to rig a thermocouple sensor with a thermostat switch, that would turn the Thermo-Perch off and on appropriately, keeping the Meiki within a certain temperature range, say, between 97 and 100 degrees F.  I'm sure one of you geeks out there can show the rest of us how to do this.





Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 17, 2012, 11:56:06 AM
Got one (the small, from Amazon.com, gotta love Prime shipping...).  It works, but it's not perfect.  Let me dwell on the negatives and provide some suggestions.

If you walk away and leave it, it gets  too hot. 

My Meiki ZXY had seen better days, and had multiple tears around the orifice, but she was still usable, and still lots of fun.  I stuck her on the new Thermo-Perch, as it slowly heated up.  A couple of minutes in, I had to leave to deal with something urgent -- I didn't unplug the Thermo-Perch because I thought I'd be back momentarily, but stuff got complicated and I forgot about my Meiki on the Thermo-Perch until I was able to return about 2 hours later.

Removing the Thermo-Perch, I stick my finger into the Meiki and my initial impression is that it's too hot, that I certainly don't want to be sticking my sensitive organ in there. Additionally it appeared to have gotten hot enough to mold the inside of the Meiki to the shape of the Thermo-Perch.  As the Meiki cooled off, I did use it, and my impression was confirmed, as the interior texture of the Meiki appeared to have been flattened, and was much smoother than it had been previously. Let's just say it was less stimulating than it had been in the past.  Suddenly my ZXY is no longer the ZXY I had grown to love.  So I'm going to need to buy a new one.

Moral of the story:
Don't leave your Meiki on the Thermo-perch unattended for any significant period of time.

Since this was my first use of the TP, I don't know what the optimal warming time is, but if we know what an appropriate warming time is, then I would recommend setting an alarm on your phone, so that you'll know when to remove the TP from your Meiki before it gets too hot and harm is done.

The right way to do this would be to rig a thermocouple sensor with a thermostat switch, that would turn the Thermo-Perch off and on appropriately, keeping the Meiki within a certain temperature range, say, between 97 and 100 degrees F.  I'm sure one of you geeks out there can show the rest of us how to do this.

Friday, I sincerely apologize that you had this negative experience and that you ruined your XYZ. You are absoultely right that you can't leave the perch inside the unit for an extended period of time. Interestingly, part of the reason why I lacked the foresight to warn you guys against this is because my parakeets and parrots literally stand on this perch all day long. The thing is - the heating element differs in different parts of the perch, so the bird can move away from a hot spot if they want to.

Anyway, hopefully your lesson will help prevent any future disasters. I added a warning to the original post. I do still think it is a valid way to heat your toy, but we need to identify how long it takes to heat the toy without causing damage!

For myself, I have heated Maria Ozawa for 5-10 minutes with good results once the element was already warm.

RIP XYZ
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: SonicBoom on November 17, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Got one (the small, from Amazon.com, gotta love Prime shipping...).  It works, but it's not perfect.  Let me dwell on the negatives and provide some suggestions.

If you walk away and leave it, it gets  too hot. 

My Meiki ZXY had seen better days, and had multiple tears around the orifice, but she was still usable, and still lots of fun.  I stuck her on the new Thermo-Perch, as it slowly heated up.  A couple of minutes in, I had to leave to deal with something urgent -- I didn't unplug the Thermo-Perch because I thought I'd be back momentarily, but stuff got complicated and I forgot about my Meiki on the Thermo-Perch until I was able to return about 2 hours later.

Removing the Thermo-Perch, I stick my finger into the Meiki and my initial impression is that it's too hot, that I certainly don't want to be sticking my sensitive organ in there. Additionally it appeared to have gotten hot enough to mold the inside of the Meiki to the shape of the Thermo-Perch.  As the Meiki cooled off, I did use it, and my impression was confirmed, as the interior texture of the Meiki appeared to have been flattened, and was much smoother than it had been previously. Let's just say it was less stimulating than it had been in the past.  Suddenly my ZXY is no longer the ZXY I had grown to love.  So I'm going to need to buy a new one.

Moral of the story:
Don't leave your Meiki on the Thermo-perch unattended for any significant period of time.

Since this was my first use of the TP, I don't know what the optimal warming time is, but if we know what an appropriate warming time is, then I would recommend setting an alarm on your phone, so that you'll know when to remove the TP from your Meiki before it gets too hot and harm is done.

The right way to do this would be to rig a thermocouple sensor with a thermostat switch, that would turn the Thermo-Perch off and on appropriately, keeping the Meiki within a certain temperature range, say, between 97 and 100 degrees F.  I'm sure one of you geeks out there can show the rest of us how to do this.

I'm really sorry you lost your ZXY.  But thanks a lot for posting your experience so others here won't have to go through the same.  On the bright side, at least your meiki wasn't new, that would have been terrible.  And this gives you the opportunity to try out something else :)

I was planning on trying out this heated perch so this info will really help, thanks again.

SB
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on November 17, 2012, 02:28:46 PM
Interestingly, part of the reason why I lacked the foresight to warn you guys against this is because my parakeets and parrots literally stand on this perch all day long. The thing is - the heating element differs in different parts of the perch, so the bird can move away from a hot spot if they want to.

Used as designed, it probably never gets that hot, because it's in open air and the heat can escape, but if you stick it in a tight silicone vagina for 2 hours, well, the heat accumulates and the temperature climbs.   

I really do think there is the potential for one of you guys who knows what he's doing to mod the Thermo-perch with a thermostat to keep the Meiki at normal physiologic temperature (~98.6F).  And then tell all of us how you did it.

Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: johnhiggin on November 17, 2012, 04:55:32 PM
I bought one, it arrived earlier this week...not working. I believe it is mainly the power adapter that is screwed up so I emailed the store and they are sending me a full replacement which should arrive sometime early next week.

Sucks about d_friday's experience yet good to know it will get hot enough to do that if left in the toy for an extended time.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 17, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
I bought one, it arrived earlier this week...not working. I believe it is mainly the power adapter that is screwed up so I emailed the store and they are sending me a full replacement which should arrive sometime early next week.

Sucks about d_friday's experience yet good to know it will get hot enough to do that if left in the toy for an extended time.

Hey John,

Sorry to hear that your power adapter wasn't working. I'm glad that the folks at K&H are doing well by you. They provide really excellent support. Twice I have lost accessories to the perch, out of warranty, and Dawn has helped me with replacements. Dawn is the lady to go to if you need help.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: skwizgaar skwigelf on November 23, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
The right way to do this would be to rig a thermocouple sensor with a thermostat switch, that would turn the Thermo-Perch off and on appropriately, keeping the Meiki within a certain temperature range, say, between 97 and 100 degrees F.  I'm sure one of you geeks out there can show the rest of us how to do this.

Here ya go:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NZZG3S/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

It's a thermostat for warming pads to maintain temps that you can set.  Comes with a wire probe that is designed to go into soil (and is thus waterproof) so that can be inserted with the thermoperch.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on November 23, 2012, 06:29:54 PM
Cool!  Ok.  I bought the thermostat.  Prime shipping. I'll let y'all know how it works. Although I think I'll use my melted Meiki as the guinea pig.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: johnhiggin on November 24, 2012, 07:57:39 AM
My replacement arrived and it is working and seems like it'll be a good way to heat up my toys. I am expecting to try it out with my Meiki Maria tonight.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: sperion on November 24, 2012, 06:45:00 PM
Interesting idea.

I have been using a USB-powered hand warmer in the same way, but it seems to be relatively moderate in temperature/power so it takes quite a while to warm up the meiki.

Looking forward to hearing more about the perch+thermostat setup!
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: manobon on November 26, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
So, my perch just arrived, and while it Is warming up, the instructions say it could take up to an hour to warm up evenly/completely. Is that just for the first time, or every time? Also, How hot does it get (it seems to get somewhat warm, but not Hot)?
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 26, 2012, 07:08:55 PM
So, my perch just arrived, and while it Is warming up, the instructions say it could take up to an hour to warm up evenly/completely. Is that just for the first time, or every time? Also, How hot does it get (it seems to get somewhat warm, but not Hot)?

Hey Manobon,

The size-small perch I own warms up almost immediately. Say 5 minutes. It should get pretty warm to the touch.

The medium sized perch doesn't seem to get as hot as the small size, in my experience. That one may take a little longer to warm up.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 26, 2012, 09:31:09 PM
My replacement arrived and it is working and seems like it'll be a good way to heat up my toys. I am expecting to try it out with my Meiki Maria tonight.

Hey John & DFriday, hoping to hear how your experiences went. John, did it heat up the unit well? DFriday, how is that thermostat working out for you?
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: johnhiggin on November 29, 2012, 03:14:00 PM
Some observations:

It takes longer than 5 minutes for mine to warm up to any decent temperature and like Manobon, my instructions say it can take an hour and I am thinking it'll be at least 20 minutes each time for this to get to a decent temp for this warming up job.

I only kept it in my Meiki Maria for 6 minutes just to see what the result would be at that limited amount of time and while it did heat it up a bit it was IMO not long enough to reach a maintained heated temperature. Think of it like doing a few thrusts into a non heated meiki and you get an idea of what this result was like. Note that the perch was not plugged in for a long time so next use I will try the perch plugged in for 40+ minutes and then look at 5-6 minutes of meiki heating and see what the result is.

My perch seems to heat pretty evenly from the tip down to maybe 2.5" from the base so this is perfect for jerkoff toy heating use.

I just used a small amount of spit to lube things up (just wiped the spiton the perch) for this yet I am wondering if trying reg lube may be better (applying inside the sleeve instead and a tiny amount of spit on the end of the perch) as it'll give the bonus of heating up the lube at the same time. The only negative I see of doing this is it'll possibly require more lube use to factor in any that will dry out in that time. I'll report back when I try this out in the near future.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on November 29, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
Some observations:

It takes longer than 5 minutes for mine to warm up to any decent temperature and like Manobon, my instructions say it can take an hour and I am thinking it'll be at least 20 minutes each time for this to get to a decent temp for this warming up job.

I only kept it in my Meiki Maria for 6 minutes just to see what the result would be at that limited amount of time and while it did heat it up a bit it was IMO not long enough to reach a maintained heated temperature. Think of it like doing a few thrusts into a non heated meiki and you get an idea of what this result was like. Note that the perch was not plugged in for a long time so next use I will try the perch plugged in for 40+ minutes and then look at 5-6 minutes of meiki heating and see what the result is.

My perch seems to heat pretty evenly from the tip down to maybe 2.5" from the base so this is perfect for jerkoff toy heating use.

I just used a small amount of spit to lube things up (just wiped the spiton the perch) for this yet I am wondering if trying reg lube may be better (applying inside the sleeve instead and a tiny amount of spit on the end of the perch) as it'll give the bonus of heating up the lube at the same time. The only negative I see of doing this is it'll possibly require more lube use to factor in any that will dry out in that time. I'll report back when I try this out in the near future.

Thanks so much for your thoughts. I think a lot of us are on the fence and need just a little push.

So your feeling is total time will be in the 30 min to an hour range? Ill be interested to see in what it actually shakes out at. Obviously 2 hours is a no goer (I still feel terrible for that brave pioneer)
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 29, 2012, 06:25:13 PM
Thanks John for your detailed info about the process.

One thing to keep in mind is the following: the perch is an item that can be left plugged in. It really consumes very little electricity. Birds are meant to stand on it all day (that's what my African Grey does). So if you need it warm, you can keep it warm pretty much anywhere and it won't be a fire hazard. Just keep it plugged in.

During the winter, my bird's heated perch is plugged in 24/7. He doesn't stand on it 24/7, but it's there for him at night when it gets cold.

Demondabbler
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on November 29, 2012, 09:10:07 PM
Thanks John for your detailed info about the process.

One thing to keep in mind is the following: the perch is an item that can be left plugged in. It really consumes very little electricity. Birds are meant to stand on it all day (that's what my African Grey does). So if you need it warm, you can keep it warm pretty much anywhere and it won't be a fire hazard. Just keep it plugged in.

During the winter, my bird's heated perch is plugged in 24/7. He doesn't stand on it 24/7, but it's there for him at night when it gets cold.

Demondabbler

Thanks for this. I wonder if you could speculate on if its okay to leave it on a table or something? As its designed to hang in the air off a wire cage, it has no chance to build up heat but in itself with the possible exception of perhaps right under the birds feet.  Do we need to come up with a suspend it in the air solution or do you think this isnt a problem, it can rest on stuff. (maybe not a book of match though   :P )
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 29, 2012, 11:39:22 PM
Thanks John for your detailed info about the process.

One thing to keep in mind is the following: the perch is an item that can be left plugged in. It really consumes very little electricity. Birds are meant to stand on it all day (that's what my African Grey does). So if you need it warm, you can keep it warm pretty much anywhere and it won't be a fire hazard. Just keep it plugged in.

During the winter, my bird's heated perch is plugged in 24/7. He doesn't stand on it 24/7, but it's there for him at night when it gets cold.

Demondabbler

Thanks for this. I wonder if you could speculate on if its okay to leave it on a table or something? As its designed to hang in the air off a wire cage, it has no chance to build up heat but in itself with the possible exception of perhaps right under the birds feet.  Do we need to come up with a suspend it in the air solution or do you think this isnt a problem, it can rest on stuff. (maybe not a book of match though   :P )

I would happily speculate that the heated perch gets no hotter than my older generation Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop, which gets pretty darn hot at times (and still manages not to set the house on fire). Leaving it on a counter will not be a fire hazard.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on November 30, 2012, 09:13:21 PM
I now have the thermostat in hand, but I've been pretty busy this week and haven't yet had the chance to experiment with it. I should be able to this weekend, and will report back with my results.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on November 30, 2012, 09:16:17 PM
Ok I am ridiculously close to putting this whole thing together. (perch, thermostat et. al)

I *think* the therm could work but as all the other outside its intended purpose uses have still included essentially a heating pad type device (be it fermentation warmer, seedling keeper, snake heater) I have reservations as to its functioning for this purpose. (I know with nearest certainty it will work with a heating pad warming system which I employ but is not an quickie solution at all)

The other issue of concern is the probe reading. With a blanket in, around, or outside of the temperature zone, the heating device is AWAY from the sensor. The bird perch wedges itself in pinning the probe between it and the side.

My guess it's going to read the perch as 99 degrees and shutoff thereby leaving a stone cold mieki.

Yes I could use the therm as nothing more than a glorified temp sensor but that kills all notion of set it and forget it sort of defeating the need for a therm in the first place.

This could be ultra cool if it all comes together (I imagine my getting back to sleep after waking in the middle of the night problems could be solved with Mieki therapy (Mieki covered by my insurer. That'd be f'ing hilarious.)

So many buts, ifs, and maybes at this point though.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on November 30, 2012, 09:18:14 PM
I now have the thermostat in hand, but I've been pretty busy this week and haven't yet had the chance to experiment with it. I should be able to this weekend, and will report back with my results.

Thanks for pioneering man.

Do have a look at my post for some of my concerns as to the whole combos usability. Im dead curious if Im on the right track or just defeatist.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on November 30, 2012, 09:52:58 PM
Ok I am ridiculously close to putting this whole thing together. (perch, thermostat et. al)

I *think* the therm could work but as all the other outside its intended purpose uses have still included essentially a heating pad type device (be it fermentation warmer, seedling keeper, snake heater) I have reservations as to its functioning for this purpose. (I know with nearest certainty it will work with a heating pad warming system which I employ but is not an quickie solution at all)

The other issue of concern is the probe reading. With a blanket in, around, or outside of the temperature zone, the heating device is AWAY from the sensor. The bird perch wedges itself in pinning the probe between it and the side.

My guess it's going to read the perch as 99 degrees and shutoff thereby leaving a stone cold mieki.

Yes I could use the therm as nothing more than a glorified temp sensor but that kills all notion of set it and forget it sort of defeating the need for a therm in the first place.

This could be ultra cool if it all comes together (I imagine my getting back to sleep after waking in the middle of the night problems could be solved with Mieki therapy (Mieki covered by my insurer. That'd be f'ing hilarious.)

So many buts, ifs, and maybes at this point though.

The thermostat idea would be great if properly executed. I am more likely to just set a timer on my phone and come back after 10-15 minutes. :)
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on November 30, 2012, 09:56:33 PM
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Its far simpler.

But something about the idea of a custom temperature mieki  (equal to that of an aroused woman) at the ready in the middle of the night is hard to let go of.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on November 30, 2012, 10:44:02 PM
OK, I just decided to dive right in tonight.

The perch plug fits into the thermostat outlet, and the thermostat plugs into the wall.  I set it to 99.0 degrees F. I plugged it all together and stuck the perch and the sensor into my melted ZXY Meiki.   I stuck the sensor in roughly to the midpoint of the depth of the Meiki.

It took about 45 min from a cold start to reach 99F, when the power to the perch shut off. The temp continued to rise for 2-3 min up to 99.5F, I guess from retained heat in the perch, and then it fell for about 5 min down to 97F, when the power to the perch switched back on.  The temp then continued to fall down to about 95.9 F, until the heat caught up with it and it then started to rise again.  Rather than waiting for it to get back to 99F, I pulled it off at 98.6F and proceeded to use the Meiki for it's intended purpose. The temperature felt very warm at the base and mid shaft (perhaps even higher than optimal), and somewhat colder at the tip.  I wouldn't recommend putting the sensor out near the tip, though, because I don't think the perch makes heat at the tip.

So the only downside is that the Meiki wasn't evenly heated.  The deepest portion was colder than the rest, because the tip of the perch doesn't get as hot. That said, if you left the whole setup (with thermostat) *on* all of the time, it's likely the deepest portion of the Meiki would equilibrate to a higher temperature and would appear more realistic.

(I might try backing off on the temperature setting somewhat, as I suspect I would get acceptable results if the temp were slightly lower and it might make me feel better about leaving it on all of the time.)

I'd have to give  the setup (perch plus thermostat) 4 out of 5 stars, or generally speaking, "Thumbs up!"
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on November 30, 2012, 10:57:42 PM
OK, I just decided to dive right in tonight.

The perch plug fits into the thermostat outlet, and the thermostat plugs into the wall.  I set it to 99.0 degrees F. I plugged it all together and stuck the perch and the sensor into my melted ZXY Meiki.   I stuck the sensor in roughly to the midpoint of the depth of the Meiki.

It took about 45 min from a cold start to reach 99F, when the power to the perch shut off. The temp continued to rise for 2-3 min up to 99.5F, I guess from retained heat in the perch, and then it fell for about 5 min down to 97F, when the power to the perch switched back on.  The temp then continued to fall down to about 95.9 F, until the heat caught up with it and it then started to rise again.  Rather than waiting for it to get back to 99F, I pulled it off at 98.6F and proceeded to use the Meiki for it's intended purpose. The temperature felt very warm at the base and mid shaft (perhaps even higher than optimal), and somewhat colder at the tip.  I wouldn't recommend putting the sensor out near the tip, though, because I don't think the perch makes heat at the tip.

So the only downside is that the Meiki wasn't evenly heated.  The deepest portion was colder than the rest, because the tip of the perch doesn't get as hot. That said, if you left the whole setup (with thermostat) *on* all of the time, it's likely the deepest portion of the Meiki would equilibrate to a higher temperature and would appear more realistic.

(I might try backing off on the temperature setting somewhat, as I suspect I would get acceptable results if the temp were slightly lower and it might make me feel better about leaving it on all of the time.)

I'd have to give  the setup (perch plus thermostat) 4 out of 5 stars, or generally speaking, "Thumbs up!"

Wow man. Far more detailed than anyone could have expected. Mad props to you. I hope everyone agrees.

So given the whole cost/setup equation and some more time for a learning curve overcoming, you feel this is worth the trouble?

It seems so but I want to be sure as the $60 total is essentially this setup or well on the way to  another Meiki
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on November 30, 2012, 11:04:08 PM

So the only downside is that the Meiki wasn't evenly heated.  The deepest portion was colder than the rest, because the tip of the perch doesn't get as hot. That said, if you left the whole setup (with thermostat) *on* all of the time, it's likely the deepest portion of the Meiki would equilibrate to a higher temperature and would appear more realistic.

(I might try backing off on the temperature setting somewhat, as I suspect I would get acceptable results if the temp were slightly lower and it might make me feel better about leaving it on all of the time.)


Im curious as to why you think equilibrium would happen?  From my heating pad experiments, I had to heat through to the side edge of the sleeve before any fore and aft part of the sleeves would start to warm at all.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on December 01, 2012, 12:05:59 AM
OK, I just decided to dive right in tonight.

The perch plug fits into the thermostat outlet, and the thermostat plugs into the wall.  I set it to 99.0 degrees F. I plugged it all together and stuck the perch and the sensor into my melted ZXY Meiki.   I stuck the sensor in roughly to the midpoint of the depth of the Meiki.

It took about 45 min from a cold start to reach 99F, when the power to the perch shut off. The temp continued to rise for 2-3 min up to 99.5F, I guess from retained heat in the perch, and then it fell for about 5 min down to 97F, when the power to the perch switched back on.  The temp then continued to fall down to about 95.9 F, until the heat caught up with it and it then started to rise again.  Rather than waiting for it to get back to 99F, I pulled it off at 98.6F and proceeded to use the Meiki for it's intended purpose. The temperature felt very warm at the base and mid shaft (perhaps even higher than optimal), and somewhat colder at the tip.  I wouldn't recommend putting the sensor out near the tip, though, because I don't think the perch makes heat at the tip.

So the only downside is that the Meiki wasn't evenly heated.  The deepest portion was colder than the rest, because the tip of the perch doesn't get as hot. That said, if you left the whole setup (with thermostat) *on* all of the time, it's likely the deepest portion of the Meiki would equilibrate to a higher temperature and would appear more realistic.

(I might try backing off on the temperature setting somewhat, as I suspect I would get acceptable results if the temp were slightly lower and it might make me feel better about leaving it on all of the time.)

I'd have to give  the setup (perch plus thermostat) 4 out of 5 stars, or generally speaking, "Thumbs up!"

a gentleman and a scholar. Props for doing this research and providing such a detailed write-up.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on December 01, 2012, 07:54:57 AM

Im curious as to why you think equilibrium would happen?  From my heating pad experiments, I had to heat through to the side edge of the sleeve before any fore and aft part of the sleeves would start to warm at all.

I just think after a few heating and cooling cycles the interior temperature gradients within the meiki will tend to be reduced. The interior tip of the vagina will never be as warm as the  middle, but I think it will tend to be closer than it was after one cycle. Today I'll just turn it on and leave it alone for a few hours and test it out later.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on December 01, 2012, 06:53:43 PM

Im curious as to why you think equilibrium would happen?  From my heating pad experiments, I had to heat through to the side edge of the sleeve before any fore and aft part of the sleeves would start to warm at all.

I just think after a few heating and cooling cycles the interior temperature gradients within the meiki will tend to be reduced. The interior tip of the vagina will never be as warm as the  middle, but I think it will tend to be closer than it was after one cycle. Today I'll just turn it on and leave it alone for a few hours and test it out later.

Ah, that makes logical sense.

Another thing of interest, on many meiki boxes, the suggested temperatures are 35-36 C. ( 95- 96.8) It would be interesting to see how this temp range feels as opposed to are naturally assumed 98.6.

And thanks for sticking with this project. We are all in your debt.

Another question I had was can you use the therm for JUST a temp measurement? Say you heated it with some other method (water, etc) and just wanted to check it?  Or is the temperature sensing function tied into the on/off cycling of the power outlet (so you have to be actively using it wholly even if you only want to just check a temperature.)
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on December 02, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
Sure, you can use it for simple temperature measurement.  I have it sitting on my desk right now and it's just reading the ambient temperature of the room air.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on December 02, 2012, 08:23:35 PM
Sure, you can use it for simple temperature measurement.  I have it sitting on my desk right now and it's just reading the ambient temperature of the room air.

Awesome. Now I know Ill have a use for it even if this doesnt work out.

Off to amazon to buy.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on December 02, 2012, 08:38:55 PM
Well I let it sit over 24 hours with no apparent harm to the Meiki.  During the entire period it appeared to cycle within a range of 96 to 99.5 degrees F, with the thermostat turning off the perch when the temp hit 99, and turning it back on when the temp hit 97.  Upon using the Meiki, it did indeed seem, as expected, like the deepest part, the tip, was warmer than it had been after one cycle yesterday.

Going forward, I'm going to back off on the temp, setting it to 95 instead of 99.  We'll see how that feels.

I also just used duct tape to attach the sensor cable to the perch at the desired location, to reduce the chance of it getting inadvertently pulled out. Users should be warned, obviously, that if the sensor gets pulled out of the Meiki, it's only going to read ambient room temperature, and the perch will never shut off, and you will likely ruin the insides of your Meiki if it is left on the perch for a significant period of time.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on December 02, 2012, 08:47:19 PM
Well I let it sit over 24 hours with no apparent harm to the Meiki.  During the entire period it appeared to cycle within a range of 96 to 99.5 degrees F, with the thermostat turning off the perch when the temp hit 99, and turning it back on when the temp hit 97.  Upon using the Meiki, it did indeed seem, as expected, like the deepest part, the tip, was warmer than it had been after one cycle yesterday.

Going forward, I'm going to back off on the temp, setting it to 95 instead of 99.  We'll see how that feels.

I also just used duct tape to attach the sensor cable to the perch at the desired location, to reduce the chance of it getting inadvertently pulled out. Users should be warned, obviously, that if the sensor gets pulled out of the Meiki, it's only going to read ambient room temperature, and the perch will never shut off, and you will likely ruin the insides of your Meiki if it is left on the perch for a significant period of time.

Awesome awesome stuff man. Thanks so much for sharing your findings.

The 99 could lead to some serious warmth as from what Ive read on the hydro website, it cycles 3 degrees above the set point and kicks back on 3 degrees below. I imagine 102 might not be fun if you hit it the wrong part of the cycle.

95 should be 92 low 98 high if the websites correct. Youll know before me though.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on December 02, 2012, 08:52:20 PM

...but I want to be sure as the $60 total is essentially this setup or well on the way to  another Meiki...

No it's not cheap.  But the Thermo-Perch by itself will destroy your Meiki if you get distracted.  It happened to me on my first attempt.  Maybe I'm particularly absentminded (yeah) but all of us occasionally have a bad day.

So, *if* you want to go the Thermo-Perch route for Meiki warming, then I would consider the HydroFarm digital heat mat thermostat to be indispensable.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on December 02, 2012, 08:54:37 PM

Awesome awesome stuff man. Thanks so much for sharing your findings.

The 99 could lead to some serious warmth as from what Ive read on the hydro website, it cycles 3 degrees above the set point and kicks back on 3 degrees below. I imagine 102 might not be fun if you hit it the wrong part of the cycle.

95 should be 92 low 98 high if the websites correct. Youll know before me though.

Set on 99.0, the thermostat was tripping off at 99.0 and tripping back on at 97.0.  The highest actual temperature reading that I noticed was 99.5, and the lowest, 95.9.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on December 02, 2012, 09:05:43 PM

Awesome awesome stuff man. Thanks so much for sharing your findings.

The 99 could lead to some serious warmth as from what Ive read on the hydro website, it cycles 3 degrees above the set point and kicks back on 3 degrees below. I imagine 102 might not be fun if you hit it the wrong part of the cycle.

95 should be 92 low 98 high if the websites correct. Youll know before me though.

Set on 99.0, the thermostat was tripping off at 99.0 and tripping back on at 97.0.  The highest actual temperature reading that I noticed was 99.5, and the lowest, 95.9.

Well thats even better. You cant get much tighter ranges without moving up to the $100 range therms. This thing appears to be a value star. (so long as your use is within the temp range (it wont do cold temps)
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on December 03, 2012, 04:51:11 PM
All this wonderful research on temperature maintenance. Props. Now I have to beg the question, is your ride more pleasurable when the toy is warm? If it is, is it worth the effort and investment?
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: Universal on December 03, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
All this wonderful research on temperature maintenance. Props. Now I have to beg the question, is your ride more pleasurable when the toy is warm? If it is, is it worth the effort and investment?
I can offer no meilki experience yet but other toys are improved with faux human warmth. Penetration is especially pleasurable and realistic as its what has me on edge first in any sexual encounter.

For me its a no brainer but try doing the warm water soak and see if its something that adds. If so then you can custom temp it as we are.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: SonicBoom on December 03, 2012, 07:13:52 PM
All this wonderful research on temperature maintenance. Props. Now I have to beg the question, is your ride more pleasurable when the toy is warm? If it is, is it worth the effort and investment?

I haven't done the "perch" thing yet, but I have warmed my meiki's in warm water.  If I have the extra time, I always do this as I feel it adds to the realism of the experience.  In fact, one of the most memorable things about sex upon penetration is how warm and moist it feels, at least I found this very memorable.  On the ten point scale I would say warming adds a point to the experience.

That said, it's really hard to warm the interior of the meiki using warm water, as the outside gets nice and warm, but the inside is a little uneven. 

One of the things, maybe the only thing, I miss about Fleshlights is the ability to run warm water through the sleeve using a hose attachement.  This made for really even warmth through out the sleeve which was nice.

SB
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: d_friday on December 08, 2012, 09:00:05 AM
All this wonderful research on temperature maintenance. Props. Now I have to beg the question, is your ride more pleasurable when the toy is warm? If it is, is it worth the effort and investment?

Warming is essential and I can't use the toy otherwise.  A room temperature Meiki might as well be a cold fish.

I used to warm them in a sink filled with hot water, and that's what I would recommend for newbies on a budget, but that method has its drawbacks.  I have also used the heating pad technique, and have been dissatisfied as well.

I have a sous vide waterbath (it's a cooking thing) that I have used for this purpose, as it provides precise temperature control; however, I suspect that most of you would find it way, way too expensive for this purpose. Not to mention that using your kitchen appliances in this way might be considered bad form, that is, if you intend to continue using them in the kitchen.  ;-)  But it does work rather well, in a technical, functional sense, although it doesn't pass the real world convenience test.

Really, the Thermo-Perch plus the Hydro Farm heat mat thermostat is the best practical solution I have found so far.

Oh, and setting the thermostat to 95 degrees F works just fine, and that's what I am doing now.
Title: Re: Heated perch for heating toys: sorry Polly, no cracker for you
Post by: demondabbler on January 30, 2013, 03:12:07 PM
I wanted to add some recent feedback on this method. When I made the original post, I actually had to surrender my perch to my girlfriend's parakeet soon afterwards so I never really got to do many tests.

I recently bought the heat mat (which measures the internal temperature of your toy) and the small heated perch.

Overall, I am very happy with the combination. I tend to set the temperature to 101-102, because once it hits that temperature the matt will turn the perch off for a while and temperature drops a few degrees before it turns the perch back on. It takes around 20-30 min to heat up. I think heating it for a longer period of time will be preferable (with heat mat of course) in order to heat it more evenly.

Today I used the perch with Hibiki and I will say that it imitated body warmth very well. This is one of the best feelings when having sex, the feeling of how warm it is inside. After I was done, I felt my guy and noticed that it was notably toasty.

So after formally testing this method a couple of times I do consider it a valid, cost-efficient way to heat toys. Thank you for DFriday and those who contributed the idea of using the heat mat/thermometer.

Demondabbler